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Re: We love our guns!!-- was Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
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Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:54:14 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> > > 2) if there still are some guns, but citizens can't have them, outlaws(1)
> > > will have them more than citizens will.
> > >
> > > 1 - either civilian thugs or military thugs, depending
> >
> >
> > I like how you do away with the rest of the logically constructed arguement,
> > that if you *reduce* the number of guns, you will reduce the number of gun
> > related cases of violence. But you won't concede that part.
>
> That is because the crime rate in Canada and the UK and anywhere else you
> choose to examine has gone up (NOT down) after Gun Control policies were
> enacted.
Care to show cause and effect? I expect not!
> It is impossible to reduce the number of guns that criminals will get
> so long as guns still exsist in the world.
Given that 500,000 are stolen from lawful owners each year in the USA. Do you
think that if more restrictions were put on ownership perhaps less would be
stolen?
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> >
> > > Bet you won't admit it though, will you? It shreds your argument completely.
> > > That's not hiding behind old paper, that's not fallacy, that's just the way
> > > the world is. You're a self admitted dreamer, out of touch with reality.
> >
> > Dreamers aren't necessarily out of touch with reality--I like this--weak
> > willed and out of touch with reality--what else can you possibly call me
> > during this debate?
> >
> > I plainly, clearly, and straight forwardly said that removing guns from the
> > criminals as well as the citizens will reduce the gun related violence.
> > Less guns = less gun related violence. Truth. Deal with it.
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> Well all of the statistics point to: Less guns = only criminals have them and
> without fear of opposition use them more often.
Even in the UK, some police are armed.
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> See a lot of gun control advocates point to the fact that the US has a higher
> violent crime rate than in Canada and the UK. They claim this is due to the
> tighter gun control legislation. However when you compare the 3 countries back
> when they had equal gun availability the violent crime rates were even lower in
> Canada and the UK.
What does this prove?
> Today, compared to then, the violent crime rate in Canada
> has aproximately doubled, the the UK has aproximately tripled, and the US is
> down about 15 percent. Just because the violent crime rates in Canada and the
> UK are still lower than the US does not mean that the Gun Control laws have had
> a positive effect.
Does it mean the effect is negative?
Scott A
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