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Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
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Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:05:50 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:

The violent crime rate doubled* in Canada and tripled* in the UK after the • gun
control laws went into effect.

Can you give an independent citation for that statistic?  And some kind of
causitive confirmation that the crime rate increased *because* gun control
was initiated?  Otherwise, the argument must be abandoned as a post hoc
interpretation.  That doesn't mean that your overall point is invalid, but
this particular pillar doesn't effectively support it.

    Dave!
Written August 11, 1998
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9808/11/britain.gun.control/index.html

Written January 6, 2003
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/01/06/uk.guns/index.html

Of course the actual statistics no longer appear to be available. Go figure.

  Hey, thanks for the links.  Unfortunately, the problem still remains that
we cannot conclude that crime has risen *because* guns were banned,
especially since the guns in the Dunblane incident were legally owned.
Unless you propose arming teachers and primary school students, that example
doesn't really serve your cause.
  Thanks again for the links, though.

     Dave!



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  Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snips for comedic effect> (...) That would be redundant. JOHN (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
 
(...) True, but both articles site that illegally owned firearms were/are responsible for the vast majority of crime. The first article states that tighter gun control will not have any positive impact (but probably have a negative one) on the crime (...) (21 years ago, 1-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
 
(...) gun (...) Written August 11, 1998 (URL) January 6, 2003 (URL) course the actual statistics no longer appear to be available. Go figure. -Mike Petrucelli (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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