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Re: Dan Rather is a Useful Idiot Extraordinare
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Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:34:37 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
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> > <snip>
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> > > Dave K
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> > In answer to a few other points made...
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> > http://www.torontoiraqmarch.com/US_Consulate.html
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> > Check out the 'toon at the bottom of this page... It has been said that I'm
> > morally 'wishy washy'. I think that, given a cut 'n dry scenario, I am not
> > wishy washy by any stretch of the imagination--my stance on guns, for
> > instance--but some here don't acknowledge the trueness of my stance.
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> > I don't believe in capital punishment, but if you left me in a room with
> > Paul Bernardo and I had a gun, only one of us would come out of that room • alive.
> >
> > I don't believe in guns but if some foreign invader came knocking on
> > Canada's door, I'd be in the armed services so fast it'd make your head
> > spin. (don't go there--I tried to get in the services before--I'm
> > colourblind and they wouldn't take me)
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> Ok now I am really confused on why you support gun control. I mean you do know
> that the crime rate in Canada has almost doubled since the nation wide Gun
> Control laws went into effect right? Sure it is still a lot lower than the US.
> But it has always been lower, even when Gun laws were similar. In the UK the
> crime rate has almost tripled since Gun Control took effect. Again it is still
> lower than the US but that was the case prior to the Gun laws as well.
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> -Mike Petrucelli
I'll try to make this as simple as possible, without getting into a totally
complex discussion--
If people don't have guns, people can't get shot by guns.
That's as simple as it gets.
Knives, hatchets, pipes, hands, and the rest all have intended purposes
which are not killing. Guns have 1 purpose--they are made...their
*intended* function is to shoot. Bringing up the 'straw man' arguement that
people conduct violence with these other tools is, as shown above,
ludicrous. My litchen knife is intended to cut my steak, it's not intended
to stab somebody--what can a gun do besides shoot?
If your gun's 'intended' function is to go to the range and shoot at
targets, well, I think the safety of society far outweighs the little thrill
you get when you shoot a target.
If you put a gun in someone's hands, or you put a knife in someone's
hands--it is easier to shoot someone than it is to stab someone--there will
be less death if there are no guns. In the last week alone in the news
there was a few instances of gun violence that I didn't mention for
'dwelling' on my pet topic--a guy drove by and shot a little girl because of
a snowball fight.
Here's an example, completely arbitrary mumbers...
Hypothetically, all violent deaths totalled, 60 deaths out of a hundered are
due to gun-related deaths...
I wouldn't say that those 60 people would live if there were no guns on the
street, for some of them would be killed in another way.
But there's the rub--*some* of those people would be killed in another way,
but not all 60--so we'd actually be saving people by not having any guns on
the street--not everyone to be sure, and we'll work on that as well, but
some would be saved.
I always heard, "If we save one person, it'd be worth it..." and I
wholeheartedly believe that.
You don't need the gun, you shouldn't want the gun, and if your only reason
to have the gun is to "protect society", you're not--you're actually,
statistically, hindering society.
I'm just saying...
Dave K
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| (...) The violent crime rate doubled* in Canada and tripled* in the UK after the gun control laws went into effect. Yes they are still lower than in the US but that is beside the point. I do understand your point now, but unless every gun on the (...) (21 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) alive. (...) Ok now I am really confused on why you support gun control. I mean you do know that the crime rate in Canada has almost doubled since the nation wide Gun Control laws went into effect right? Sure it is still a lot lower than the (...) (21 years ago, 27-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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