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(...) I agree that it's nit-picky when taken on its own, but the mindset is symptomatic of an apparent and as yet unresolved shortcoming of the Libertarian view--namely that those who are able to afford better conditions will become better able to (...) (23 years ago, 11-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've said before I often agree with Libertarian theory - on paper. In practice, I think it has some serious problems - to be fair, what philosophy doesn't? I registered Libertarian to help get them on the California ballot many years ago, if (...) (23 years ago, 11-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd say that the folly is not so much living in the desert but trying to turn the desert into an oasis capable of supporting millions of people in a manner of living that is more suited to the humid east than to the Mediterranean climate of (...) (23 years ago, 11-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If they aren't liable, then why do they spend so much effort dodging liablity? I'm not sure what you are basing your claims off of, but I gotta disagree with virtually every sentence above. And I'm also talking about throughout history, not (...) (23 years ago, 11-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) These are the types of soundbyte answers I was talking about, since you're giving them as though they're self-evident and sufficient in themselves, when in fact they're neither. Your first byte here underscores that the wealthy will be (...) (23 years ago, 11-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There are too many people living in our world today. What we need is another world war to cull the herd, send the poor and innocent off to die in a foreign land while the rich sit back and benefit (and laugh too). I'm waiting for Bush to (...) (23 years ago, 11-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hah! Classic 80's Cold War paranoia, with Patrick Swayze to boot! The sad thing is that paranoia helps sell weapons. I have no doubt that our country makes enemies when none are there just to validate military spending. I looked back at one (...) (23 years ago, 11-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think it must happen some, yes, and that's a probably a downside. CLSotW isn't specifically marketed at masses of kids, though, so I'm not too worried. (...) The competitive nature of the area is there regardless of the name. I don't have (...) (23 years ago, 11-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) away. I'm confused. I expected this to be anti-libertarian and so read sarcasm into it. But I don't think that it's warranted. Are you serious, Bruce? The opinion (sarcastic intent or not) is exactly how I feel. Put the ass of policy makers on (...) (23 years ago, 11-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) delete the slashes and insert the chars in <> c/<hange >can/< to >cannot It's an editor command, or supposed to look like one, anyway. Shows that you are Old Skool IBM with 3l33t VM 3d1t0r sk1llz, I guess. ++Lar (23 years ago, 11-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First, if they actually were compliant with all the available data, then just like in the current system, we understand it to be a mistake and they do what they can to clean it up. Let's assume though, that there were data suggesting that it (...) (23 years ago, 11-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Business has never been free to realize that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. They have never been actually liable for their damages across the long term. They have never existed in an unrestrained market where the government (...) (23 years ago, 11-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure. And if the public believed that, based on the evidence, and all the massive evidence counter to that organization's claims, then Joe Smith would get rich dumping into the reservoir. Just like today. Only, in Libertopia: a)I think that (...) (23 years ago, 11-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Naw, he want's oil prices to skyrocket. You (okay, the American people rejected him, but there he is) elect oilmen, what do you expect? When re-election time comes, he's going to find out all those California businesses that saw their profits (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's 'cause the government didn't bother to read the rules to Illuminati: Weird Groups (Gamers) are immune to Government Groups (Secret Service). Fnord. (...) Yeah for Libertopia! These corporate sharks rape the system for all it's worth, (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol, sorry if I came across like that, I was just wishing that mine was not as high as it is. I have a one bedroom apt, so I know my bill is less than many others, so I do feel lucky for that. (...) True, but your state will follow soon, Cali (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Absoloutely fine. Heck, that's probably why Anthony started this part of the thread. And I certainly agree that there are those who want 'em. I guess what I was suprised at was the sarcasm. [FUTting to o-t.debate just in case]. If you want to (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol, was it me? ( (URL) ). My post there says what I would have posted here. (...) Good point! Basically, the core of it is the same thing? Even has the 'cool' part. I can not recall many (note: I said recall, not saying there has not been) (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, that's not it. I'll try to track it down for you. I got it from a recent debate about the proposed Patient's Bill of Rights. D (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: But I was serious about the c/can/cannot thing. What does that mean? Dave! (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am not aware of any deregulation of the medical industries, at least not in this country in the last, oh, 70 years or so. Can you elaborate? Or were you meaning deregulation like what California did in the case of the power industry. That (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) many cases, not all cases. So no, what you think I said isn't right. (...) Sometimes they are. Steve Jackson Games won a suit against the government I believe... The upside of small corporations is that it's possible to win against them. The (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Tim Courtney writes: <snip> (...) Good post, good point, good debate fodder, Tim. I'm ambivalent, I do think that maybe "cool kids" may be a bit TOO judgemental... but dodgeball (I was always picked last and usually out first (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Where does all this c/can/cannot stuff come from? Is it English, or is it some esoteric computerese? FUT OT.Geek? Is that right? The gov't can't be sued for anything? I thought they simply weren't subject to civil suits, but were subject to (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think you have a few nots missing, and a few added where they do not belong (...) c /can/cannot/ in many cases. Nor can government employees. (Libertopian corporations would have no such immunity for their personnel) (...) That is, has the power (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So you're agreeing that a corporation will not only be just as corrupt, but will likewise take steps to make sure that its corruption is beyond the reach of individual correction? The difference is that the government can be sued, and the (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yer all softies. I was born and bred in de briar patch, and I grew up without air conditioners at school, home, or the car. Give me Joshua Tree and some water (for the water colors, mind you, not to drink - that's for sissies). Death Valley on (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps people will start to realize the economic folly of living in the desert.... (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, the biggest such organization today is.... The United States Federal Government.... Think about it, what makes the government any different than Joe Smith TWD? Actually, there's a really big difference, they've done such a good PR job (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's a news flash: I already *DO* conserve. we're very careful to limit our usage, and our power bills still keep skyrocketing. The BIG (have politicians in their back pockets) COMPANIES in the area get rate cuts when they conserve, but I (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Moreover seeing Jennifer doing better than you can be very motivating. Right I'm off to order a video encoder card, I put the side skirts on my tank last night and it's looking brilliant and need it's own web site. I'm sure it'll at least put (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Here are the predictions for Southern California summer of 2001: 1. Hottest summer in years 2. Rolling Blackouts on a daily basis 3. $3 a gallon gasoline What it means to us personally: Heat will cause us all to get heat stroke. No relief at home (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good post Tim, IMHO there is nothing wrong with a bit of healthy competition, in fact I think it is essential in many ways otherwise kids are going to be in for a big shock when they leave the nest and enter the real world. Ok, so it's only (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, let's say that Joe Smith TWD Inc is sued into bankrupcy and their assets sold. In all likelihood the cost to repair the damage to the environment will greatly exceed the company's worth, so even full liquidation of assets won't fund the (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Two word rebuttal: Phillip Morris. (...) That really isn't true. Companies have invariably dragged their feet on the "ounce of prevention" angle. The cold truth is, as much as businesses get over-regulated, they invariably brought it on (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think such a company would really last terribly long. If their actions really had a wide impact, they would find quite an array of folks against them. And not all of the money to hire the lawyers to sue them out of existence will come (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your motive, as always, is to prove to yourself that you are smarter than everyone around you. (...) The difference being: I haven't been asked to knock it off. And if I am asked to knock it off because I'm upsetting or insulting them (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahhhh, spin control. Phillip Morris' wet-dream scenario! :-) (...) Listen to advertising: "An independent research firm confirms our product is the best..." They don't tell you who paid for the research to be done, which is often the entity (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Todd Lehman writes: <snip> Nicely proving my point, thanks... What I viewed as helpful questions and a desire for clarification you viewed as meddling. Right now, probably, someone inside TLC is no doubt saying to him or (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd like to see the data on this in any case. Birds have done just fine sitting on high-tension wires, so I expect they could adapt fairly quickly to windmills. From a more technical POV, I've read studies that many (I'm not sure which, (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I gotta say, I don't get this one. A few odd birds get killed. Can't say I like it, but at the same time, how many get killed by the pollution of a coal-burning power plant? Seems counter-productive to me. I don't know a tree-hugger that would agree (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So Joe Smith Toxic Waste Dumping, Inc. can fund a watchdog organization to demonstrate that it's safe to dump industrial sludge into the local reservoir. Is that what you're envisioning? (...) Independent of the interests it purports to (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Such orginisations are normally funded by those they a supposed to police. (...) I agree. (...) You are missing the point. Improving air safet is not the point. Too many libertarians are concerned only with saving $$ - to give *themselves* (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course your state is having a power crisis. Market forces. California is offering more money to the independent power companies than you are. What do you expect them to do, sell it to you for less than they can make? So, you have to pony up (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Some of those blades must move *much* faster than the ones I've seen, which look like they're traveling at a pretty leisurely pace. Sounds like we need some scientific observation on the natural rates at which birds run into obstacles. Steve (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I jumped on you for insulting Suzanne (it wasn't the first time, and you know darn well what I'm talking about), for insulting our intelligence, for questioning our integrity, for acting with an egregiously pompous attitude (once again), and I (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) independent (...) who (...) Whomever wished to..? (...) Independant of what? (...) I'm pretty happy with the private consumer advocacy that I sponsor. (...) The shareholders? (...) think (...) Actually, I know very little about the FAA. I (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh my GOD. You're kidding, right? I mean, the British just built tunnels for hedgehogs, and let behavioral modification take its course. The birds would learn, soon enough...the Canada geese sure learned fast how not to migrate! Have you seen (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All good questions that the court of public opinion would have to satisfy, and thanks for reminding us of them, Dave! (1) Ask yourself them about the UL or ANSI, though, under the current system. When I did, I got entirely satisfactory (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who would fund such an organization, and how can it make any credible claims of independence? I don't deny the value, in theory, of the organization, but I don't believe that we can trust it to be any more impartial than existing watchdog (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My bill is worst of all. It's the only one that I have to pay for. :-) (...) But why should a power company sell you power for less than it could sell it to me for? Just because it's located in your state? I think the power from a particular (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) blizzard (...) Yup! We don't have rolling blackouts, we just have ice storms that bring the lines down. I live out in the woods on a well. When I have no electricity, I have no heat and no water. We do love our wood stove when that happens. (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) this (...) In this particular hypothetical California McDonalds, I would guess that they had to invest in power infrastructure so that they could keep the grills hot even when the grid isn't active. That kind of UPS/diesel generation system (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hence the 8^) Dave! (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not interested in having a contest with people from California to see whose bill is worse. My point is that it's absurd that my power bill is double when it's not even my state that's having the power crisis. ~Grand Admiral Muffin Head (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Simpson writes: [big snip] (...) effect (...) expense (...) to (...) Right. You can only bribe someone to exert power that they have. If they have no public power, there is no public concern. (...) All public (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It doesn't guarantee that you can afford one...merely that _if_ you can, then it's legal to own. (...) "Who runs Bartertown?" Chris (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you gave pretty good reasons. Probably would have been better to call it something like "kids doing cool things" or something like that, to avoid the implication that some kids are cool and some aren't. And if the model selection is (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) this (...) Have you checked the price of Gas recently. Most power is generated using fossel fuels and prices have risen sharply Lester (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) HA! I can not see how the price for producing has risin, if they are doing what they have been doing, why would it go up??? No new plants are up, none are going up - so whats changed? If the cost of producing a big mac goes up to $6, but the (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ah well, as long as this debate is...er... good for the community ;) -- Erin (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow, only double? You are lucky its only double, before all this my higest bill was $55 for one month, now the cheapest one I have gotten recently was over $150!! ARG! And of course they want to sell to us, they are getting rich doing so. Mark (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, but I actually couldn't be more serious by those questions. I think TLC is making a huge blunder on the name of that. Unless, of course, if it's marketing driven and they're aware of it, in which case maybe it's good for their bottom (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's not that (though that IS part of it). They can't even seem to maintain the current wind farms, because the treehuggers are whining about the birds killed by the blades on the windmills, and fight repairing any that break down. Setting up (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, that was the "royal" ("grand admiral?") you, as in the State of Washington. You've got tons of Pacific submarines at Bremerton, right? Hook 'em up! best LFB (though the Navy might take exception, granted...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) consumers. (...) for (...) we (...) really (...) it. (...) I read an article about Texas power in the WSJ this week. According to the article Texas has made a delibert effort to not be connected to the inter-state power grid. Not being (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) California is a study in contrasts and balance. For example, if California is so liberal, how did Pete Wilson and George Deukmajin hold the governor's office for 16 straight years, with the legislature usually within a couple seats of each (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Forgive me for adding an adendum to my own post, but as I was driving back to work from my lunch hour a few minutes ago, it just occured to me that, yes, Enron really *is* building a twin for its existing skyscraper downtown. Yes, we have to (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why don't a few of the allegedly-intelligent non-liberal morons show up at these meetings and do something about it? Dave! (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You aren't kidding, at any sign of price increases our idiot govenor makes a big stink and forces the Public Utilities Commission (PUC) to back down. Everytime they hold a meeting a bunch of morons show up to protest increasing prices. We (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is true. History shows that some of the greatest thinkers and artists have not been truly appreciated in their own livetimes… indeed that may well have given them motivation in their endeavours. (...) I think this issue was raised before. (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I heard an economic analyst on NPR sum up the California energy crisis with this analogy: You own a McDonalds. The production costs of a Big Mac has risen to $6 each, but you are forced by the government to stay in business and sell them for (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry: I'm much persuaded by many of your arguments in favor of Libertarianism. I have, however, some lingering doubts about Libertarianism on a fundamental level. In other words, I feel that it is based on a principle (insofar as I understand (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I need help on translating some expressions from portuguese to english and some research. Do you know something about the CPOD index? Klein and Palmer index? Do you know any resources on the internet where I can find statistics about this? TIA, -- (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Its all corporate graft. Here in Houston (home of Enron, which has been fighting a court order to sell power to California), our energy costs are expected to triple this summer. Why? Even in August, Texas' month of peak demand, our energy (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bruce, I have to agree with you. The measure of a company's success is its level of profit - not the level of corruption involved. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) blizzard (...) The California Independent Sysytem Operator monitors the state's power grids, and if they project that demand will exceed supply they issue a power alert (these come in Stages 1-3-- I believe a Stage 3 is the worst and (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's something of a simplistic statement. The problem lies in that monopolistic businesses that control something that is in the vital interest of everyone in the entire state showed an apalling lack of foresight, with the bottom line of (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll buy that (metaphorically) on paper, but I can't shake the feeling that, in practice, the corrupt companies would quickly take steps to erect barriers to entry. In theory, a government, even a big one, directly and quickly accountable for (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Power corrupts, be it business or government. As to corrupt (and therefore inefficient (Oh?)) companies getting displaced by honest ones: looking at Big Oil and Hollywood, I gotta disagree. ;-) Bruce (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Yup, all the electric clocks in my house were blinking when I got home. At least where I work has been declared a "critical installation" and isn't subject to blackouts - allegedly, since I'm at a slightly offsite facility and we are all wondering (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Clearly your second amendment rights are being violated. As long as that sub is "man portable" that is. So start building! ++Lar (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Less government power, less possible avenues of corruption. Yes, private interests also can be corrupt, but as long as there are no barriers to entry, corrupt (and therefore inefficent) companies get displaced by honest ones. ++Lar (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Congratulations. Try being without power for 3 days in the middle of a blizzard in January. :-/ Do they give you any advance notice of specific outages (like: we're dropping power to your house from 6:00pm to 8:00pm)? Steve (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What? Can you imagine the screams of protest as the citizens of California had to pay the *actual* costs for both their energy and short-sitedness? No politician could endure the horror of enraged voters! Steve (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you crazy? The 2nd Amendment guarantees that you can have one! What's wrong with you?! 8^) (...) "Let me control the power supply, and I don't care who makes the laws." Dave! (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh sure, I'll just go right out and hook up my nuclear sub. Oh wait, I don't own one. Guess I'll just keep bending over for the power company. ~Grand Admiral Muffin Head (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why don't you do what the Soviets did in Murmansk? To run the power grid, they hooked up the nuclear submarines to the grid to keep the power stable and affordable. best Lindsay (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True. The problem is that you can't buy power that there's no generating capacity for. The issue is more that California's power infrastructure sucks, as you point out: (...) I had always been under the impression that California had been (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Most people I know (who express an opinion on the matter) are aware of the corruption and are equally aware that there's little the average citizen can do about it. <insert third-gov't-party ad here> As long as humans are subject to greed, and (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... (...) ... (...) So I've been wondering for a couple months why the state doesn't lift the dumb socialist power price caps and allow the market to do its thing. Why don't you folks just let the problem fix itself? And really, what do you (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's precisely my point, except as regards the U.S. government. Believe it or not, Americans are naive enough to think themselves immune to the kind of corruption and nonsense that takes place elsewhere, frankly, ALL OVER THE WORLD! I think (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wow!.. Blackouts in US? C'mon guys, it's not that big a problem..:-) We were very get used to it just 10-15 years ago. I mean *regular* and *planned* blackouts, 2 hours everyday..:-) Things were much better during the last ten years but our (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I suppose these things are all realtive ;-) Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh...:-) I think you don't know much about what could be the cost of a corrupt government to you, perhaps you never have to live with one, generations long. Selçuk (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One of the places it's being bought from is Washington State. As a result. my power bill is almost double what it was at this time last year. :^P Meanwhile, the local power companies are asking us to conserve (so they can sell our power to CA) (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I bet you thought you lived in a country where the presidential election couldn't be stolen by a man in bed with the oil and energy companies too! Interestingly the price of natural gas, petroleum, and electricity are all going through the (...) (23 years ago, 9-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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For the second time I have now been victim of California's rolling blackouts. The first experience was a few months ago at home, and now today 5/8/01 here at work. For those of you not experiencing this wonderful phenomenon, it really sucks! This is (...) (23 years ago, 8-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ack! Purged from the memory banks. What else have I forgotten? LFB (23 years ago, 8-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And let's not forget Krull. Oh wait. On second thought, let's! Dave! (23 years ago, 8-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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