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Re: Rolling Blackouts
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Thu, 10 May 2001 15:14:28 GMT
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I gotta say, I don't get this one. A few odd birds get killed. Can't say I
like it, but at the same time, how many get killed by the pollution of a
coal-burning power plant? Seems counter-productive to me. I don't know a
tree-hugger that would agree with that stand. Every group has its idiots, I
suppose.
Bruce
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
> > Mr L F Braun wrote:
> >
> > > > Here are a few key facts:
> > > > 1. In the USA, California is dead last in energy production per capita 50
> > > > out of 50
> > > > 2. In the USA, California is first in conservation per capita.
> > >
> > > I had always been under the impression that California had been
> > > putting up big ol' farms covered with turbine windmills, taking
> > > advantage of one resource (wind) that California's position gives
> > > it *plenty* of. But of course the capital investment per KwH
> > > output for wind power is higher than, IIRC, any other form, so
> > > of course companies won't invest in it.
> >
> > It's not that (though that IS part of it). They can't even seem to maintain the
> > current wind farms, because the treehuggers are whining about the birds killed by
> > the blades on the windmills, and fight repairing any that break down.
>
> Oh my GOD. You're kidding, right? I mean, the British just
> built tunnels for hedgehogs, and let behavioral modification
> take its course. The birds would learn, soon enough...the
> Canada geese sure learned fast how not to migrate!
>
> Have you seen that guy with the giant, tethered windmill? It
> floats around like an ultralight helicopter, generating enough
> power to keep itself aloft and sending tons more to the ground.
> Weird concept, really, but it appears to work--but MAN would
> the FAA and the treehuggers have a field day with that.
>
> Setting up
> > NEW farms would be next to impossible thanks to some of the (too many) extremist
> > nature lovers in Kalifornia.
>
> Not surprising, I guess.
>
> > If they lifted the price caps, and didn't have to worry about the Audoban (sp?)
> > and other organizations, I can guarantee you that there'd be more wind farms
> > built in no time.
>
> I think that would also lead to more and better nuke plants,
> currently restricted by primal fear *and* shifting sands with
> respect to regulations--get a design approved, start building,
> regulations change, redesign, rebuild, regulations change...
> maybe after spending 5x the estimate and 15 years, you *might*
> have a working powerplant...that is now under spec in some
> way yet *again*.
>
> Sigh.
>
> best
>
> LFB
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| (...) I'd like to see the data on this in any case. Birds have done just fine sitting on high-tension wires, so I expect they could adapt fairly quickly to windmills. From a more technical POV, I've read studies that many (I'm not sure which, (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Oh my GOD. You're kidding, right? I mean, the British just built tunnels for hedgehogs, and let behavioral modification take its course. The birds would learn, soon enough...the Canada geese sure learned fast how not to migrate! Have you seen (...) (23 years ago, 10-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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