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Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
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Wed, 9 May 2001 17:30:52 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Simpson writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> >
> > > There is nothing new under the sun. Government has always been
> > > bureaucratic and inherently corruptable; it's just that the manifestations
> > > of corruption and bureaucracy have not always taken the same forms.
> > > Likewise, the means by which government is purchased have not always been
> > > the same.
> >
> > Less government power, less possible avenues of corruption.
> >
> > Yes, private interests also can be corrupt, but as long as there are no
> > barriers to entry, corrupt (and therefore inefficent) companies get
> > displaced by honest ones.
> >
> > ++Lar
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> Larry:
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> I'm much persuaded by many of your arguments in favor of Libertarianism. I have,
> however, some lingering doubts about Libertarianism on a fundamental level. In
> other words, I feel that it is based on a principle (insofar as I understand it)
> that is, IMO, flawed.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Libertarianism believe that an environment
> congenial to personal liberties (i.e., a society in which people are free to act
> in their own best interests with freedom from all but the most limited and basic
> government restraints) will naturally produce a humane society because its lack
> of higly-structured political and economic systems thereby prevents the
> development of institutions of graft (because there no longer exists a power
> structure which fosters and gives incentives to graft)? In other words,
> everyone not only has the freedom to live on their own nickel, but is in effect
> *forced* to do so, and therefore, one will not be able to survive at the expense
> of others because the structures of formal social government are so loose as to
> render unprofitable any attempts to exert excessive economic/political control
> over others? In still other words, the networks of authority are too loose to
> render graft profitable?
This is true. History shows that some of the greatest thinkers and artists
have not been truly appreciated in their own livetimes… indeed that may well
have given them motivation in their endeavours.
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> If this is your assertion, then I say that its a fine idea, in theory, but
> suspect in practice. What is the Libertarian take on public institutions that
> benefit the public good? Can we trust airlines to keep their planes safe
> without an FAA? Sure, the market will be sifted when an airline has a crash or
> two, but what if airlines conspire to exert monopoly control, and safety
> regulations be d****d?
I think this issue was raised before. I concluded that plane safety would be
unlikely to drop too far (although, would budget airlines be quite as
attractive?). I expect however, that airlines would become concerned with
issues which gave the perception of increased safety - rather than actual
increased safety. This is because too often the "market" is concerned with
perceptions rather that reality.
Scott A
> What of highway builders? The road is already
> laid...why should they care if the curves on their highway can really accomodate
> a vehicle at 70 mph? Are there, in fact, certain areas of public interest that
> can only be served by a powerful governmental regulatory oversight? Can we in
> fact trust those with personal liberty to use it justly when public interest is
> at stake, or do we not instead *need* powerful checks on the ability of
> corporations/individuals to overwhelmingly act in their own economic self-
> interests when the public good (or even public interest in their endeavors) are
> at stake?
Scott A
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> In a nutshell, it seems to me that Libertarianism has an unrealistic and flawed
> optimism in the goodness of humanity. What is your take? I'd like to vote for
> a party other than the Demopublicans, but I just don't see a viable option.
>
> james
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