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Re: Planning, not arguments, please (was Re: [DISC] Shortcircuit eBay?
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Wed, 28 Apr 1999 06:24:29 GMT
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Mitchell I. Puschett wrote in message <37268F52.E2AFDA8D@pol.net>...
Larry Pieniazek wrote:

What this thread IS supposed to be is a discussion of whether there is a
way to get a different behaviour out of eBay than the standard out of
the box one, without violating the rules eBay has set up.


   Thanks for getting back onto the topic I was interested in...

eBay states on page: http://pages.ebay.com/aw/seller-cancel-bid.html
You may ... cancel bids placed in your auction,
if you have a valid reason. [Y]ou should only
cancel bids you have a good reason to cancel.
Your cancellation will be publicized in the bidding
history for this auction, and you may be asked to
explain your cancellation to the bidder or other
bidders. If the cancellation was not legitimate,
you open yourself to potential negative feedback
from other users.
Invalidating bids based on when they were placed seems to fall under
"legitimate" and "valid" if the rules of the auction were clearly defined
beforehand.

   This is interesting to me.  However, I think these rules are out dated.
Since eBay recently changed the feedback rules... if I am correct, there are
two types of feedback.  Feedback which anyone can leave about anybody and
transaction based feedback.  You can leave positive or neutral feedback
regarding any member of eBay at any time.  The reason is if someone helps
you in some way with using eBay, you can post positive feedback stating that
the person is friendly, helpful, whatever.  However, to complain, or leave
negative feedback for a person, you must use the second type of feedback,
called transaction based feedback.  You must supply the eBay ID # with your
comments, and must either be the high bidder or seller for the auction in
question.  So you really never have the potential for negative feedback
(from last copied line above) no matter what you do, unless you really upset
a buyer or seller.  But anyway, what I am concerned about with the idea
Larry brought up, which was - even if the auction has ended, giving the
prior reigning bidder a chance to beat out a sniper - will people accept
this or not?  Do they have a choice?

   And another thing.  The sniper has a valid argument in this scenario.  He
may say that he put in a proxy bid of $200, and the snipee had placed a bid
of $150, thus the sniper won at $155.  Then when I tell the sniper that he
has not won, because of the rule outlined in my description, but that the
snipee has won at $150, then where does this lead?  Obviously he would be
angry since his proxy was much higher than what the snipee is going to pay
for the item.  In this case do I tell each bidder to send me his highest
possible bid (like a sealed bid auction after the auction) and then forward
the results to each bidder?  Although I like the idea of avoiding sniping,
since most bidders, except those who win, dislike it, I am not sure if there
is an easy fix (or any at all) for the problem.

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Message has 2 Replies:
  Re: Planning, not arguments, please (was Re: [DISC] Shortcircuit eBay?
 
(...) The valid counter-argument is that if the sniper followed the rules of this particular auction, the problem would not have occurred. As in a sport, rules are present to encourage a fair match. Occasionally, a trivial violation leads to a (...) (25 years ago, 28-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)
  Re: Planning, not arguments, please (was Re: [DISC] Shortcircuit eBay?
 
(...) He should have read the rules of the auction. Several messages have stated that the auction announcement should and must include a description of how the auction is going to differ from a regular eBay auction. Bidders should always read (...) (25 years ago, 28-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)

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  Re: Planning, not arguments, please (was Re: [DISC] Shortcircuit eBay?
 
(...) eBay states on page: (URL) You may ... cancel bids placed in your auction, (...) Invalidating bids based on when they were placed seems to fall under "legitimate" and "valid" if the rules of the auction were clearly defined beforehand. (25 years ago, 28-Apr-99, to lugnet.market.auction)

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