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I still have not heard from Dan, but I am finding that 95% of the inventories are incorrect. I would suggest not to go by the inventories on Peeron as I have now sent in 1000 emails with corrections and pictures and most are just sitting there not (...) (18 years ago, 7-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) This is a pretty strong statement. Being someone who has submitted an inventory in the past, I'm curious to know exactly what is wrong with them. -Orion (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) Is that 95% of the total? I must say, I'm entirely satisfied with the accuracy of the Peeron inventories, but then, I'm only referencing a very small selection. If your claim isn't about 95% of the total, could you clarify what your sample is? (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) Agreed, Orion. I've never submitted an inventory, but I've had occasion to double-check sets against what's listed on Peeron, and haven't had anywhere near the results stated above. The only inconsistency I've found have been in the "extra (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) I have inventoried about 900 sets so far. What I do is to print the inventory on Peeron. Check it against what is in my set (most of which I bought and kept myself since 1974), compare the pieces against peeron and then built the item. I think (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) John, I got your email 2 days ago, and was trying to find out more details before replying to you. These 1000 emails you sent? Where did you send them to? When? In the past month, I see you sent something like 6 emails to inv@peeron.com? You (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) I did not think that there was a problem because I would go with the inventory on Peeron, not building all the sets. But once I started building them and checking the problem appeared. I was doing this because I wanted to make sure that my (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) Dan:I sent the corrections to you and they are still going to the person that was doing them before. I can send them all to you if you want. I do not know how you can veryify these as I do from the actual sets. At most the wrong ones were (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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I don't know if this will mean anything. Ok, I have been watching this subject for a while. To make a long story short I have and still collect sets from different Markets over the world, such as Asia, Europe, The Americas (Canada,North America, (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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John, (...) I hope that you have professional help with dealing with this condition. (...) Before you said it was 95% but here you state it is 90%. Which is it? Could this percentage is hyperbole? If the problem rate is so high, can you post which (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) Because there is a financial interest in the BrickLink inventories, they tend to get more interest from people who want them to accurately reflect what's in the box. There some feature of BL inventories that I don't think are available on (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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John, I'm sorry to say this, but I think part of the problem is that you're being very insulting. It doesn't make people want to help you when you start accusing them and telling them they're incompetant. (...) I have found that to be untrue. I have (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) Dave: It is not my purpose to be insulting; I call things like I see them. I am almost 60 and I was a little less blunt when I was 30. Now at this age, I call black black and white white. I have been 30 and was a bit less direct. I doubt that (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) Well Jude, the 90% refered to the minor mistakes, 5% are way off, re-read the part about the this happening in 90%, perhaps you will get it then. 90% small mistakes with another 5% major mistakes, see? Hope that this clears up your confusion. (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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--snip-- (...) I've got a good idea for you John. Since you are retired, OCD and have already re-inventoried 1000 sets why don't you start a new database. Since you have done the checking that will be a new 1000 set inventory database up to the 100% (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv) !
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(...) One thing is that I don't have the knowledge to do a data base on the web or the time. I am not too sure what whinging is. I am sure that there is income from the Amazon banner and I use it whenever I buy from Amazon and that is quite often. I (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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--snip-- (...) You don't have to put it online, John. You can keep it at home. In fact I'm sure that your statistics must be coming from some sort of database you have at home so your job is already done. When someone has an eBay auction which (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) See, now, again, this has nothing to do with anything. Yeah, you're older than I am. You're older than most AFOLs. Ok. But I don't think being older gives you a free pass to be condescending. That's the sort of thing I mean. You can say what (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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John, I do appreciate your submissions - as Dave mentioned, that's the only way data can get to Peeron in the first place, by users taking pictures, making inventories, and submitting corrections. Note that some of these updates are more difficult (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv) !
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(...) Flak isn't so bad, might get them to listen. I offered to volunteer since I am retired. I have a lot of gratitude as their data base for parts is great. It took a lot of work to set up and I am amazed at the effort to get it going. They just (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) think that is much more important. I had an agreement with the person that was doing these that I would just send emails. I do not know how to do the data bases and such, so if I could just do emails it would make what I am doing a lot easier. (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) For corrections, please send them to inv@peeron.com (note, please do not send it directly to me or the other admins). By doing that we can make sure all the admins get a copy of it - meaning it'll get done sooner. Thanks for your cooperation (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) I think there's only one possible explanation for these quality issues: Peeron must be outsourcing it's inventory updating to China. Cheers, Allister (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) At last a little humor here. John P (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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In lugnet.inv, David Eaton wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Hear! Hear!! Thanks Dan for your many efforts on our behalf!! Dave K (18 years ago, 9-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv) !
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(...) John- Please don't say we don't "want" to correct the inventory system. In 2007 so far we have made 3827 changes and additions (this does not include the instruction or catalog scan library). In 2006: 16071. Jennifer Boger (18 years ago, 10-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) Jennifer: Sorry I did not answer sooner, was on vacation. I understand all the additions, just seemed like there would be an eagerness to correct what is there before adding more. Seems that it is more important to be the most correct rather (...) (18 years ago, 16-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) John- I said "changes" and additions. That includes corrections. I'm very sure we did not add 16000+ NEW inventories last year. (18 years ago, 18-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) Jennifer and Dan: I realize that, but correcting seems to be low priority. Here is an example of what I am talking about. I just finished 7720 Battery Train set last night. It was inventoried from the instructions by Peeron. Please pull up the (...) (18 years ago, 18-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) Hello, I was the person to verify the 7720 set (and this is my first post on Lugnet). Please, excuse me to not check the whole inventory properly. I have only corrected the most obvious mistakes like the number of wheels. I have overlooked the (...) (18 years ago, 19-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv, lugnet.people.newbie)
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(...) Maybe that's because you appear to get all attackive? Please consider, John, how you are coming across here. Yes, you are attempting to help with the Peeron inventories, I grok that, but the way you are doing so appears to be fairly (...) (18 years ago, 19-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv, FTX) !!
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(...) --snip-- (...) A very positive post, Richie. Thanks for sharing. Tim (18 years ago, 19-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv, FTX)
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(...) Richie, I am somewhat agressive, but at some point in time it gets fustrating. Getting down to why, is that had there been a problem here and there I would not have said anything. But set after set has bad inventories. And then these (...) (18 years ago, 19-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv, FTX)
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(...) Your English is fine, probably better than mine. Your comment about the buffers is correct. However I had a mint in sealed box and it did not have the buffers in it. I opened it about a year ago and never put it together. I am finding that (...) (18 years ago, 19-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv, lugnet.people.newbie)
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(...) John, All the best with your inventory corrections. Cheers Richie Dulin (18 years ago, 19-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv, FTX)
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In lugnet.inv, John Patterson wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> This sounds very surprising! I have one 7720 with those buffers, but don't know whether they're original since I bought the set second-hand. I have also one 7722 with 4 black single buffers. I (...) (18 years ago, 19-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) Thanks for the note, I have found other rather strange things in the early 80 sets. There is a round brick 1x1 open stud transgreen, that had a white coating on the inside. I have seen this in three sets. Also the minifig airtanks in red and (...) (18 years ago, 19-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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Jennifer: Here are some more examples. I finshed three more sets last night. Pull up the instructions for 7838. There are 12 3062b brick round black, step 22. 3010 brick 1x4 red there are 4, step 2 and 4 for the crane. the blue plate 3666 is not (...) (18 years ago, 19-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) 95% incorrect?! That's absurd. It would take someone years to even check all of them. (...) Why would you list on the LUGNET site if an inventory on the Peeron site is correct or not? Wouldn't you have to constantly recheck the Peeron (...) (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) OK, first of all, you don't seem to know the difference between "email" and a "post". (...) John, I thought I'd take a little looksie into my own 10144 to see what you're talking about. I looked on page 7 of the instructions of 10144 and the (...) (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) David, I don't think there's any need to be rude. If you check STEP 7 on page 11, you will find the aforementioned tan 1x6 bricks. I hope this helps. ROSCO (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) Oh David, 95% of what I have checked, around 1000 or so sets. If that is absurb it is not my fault. John P (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) David, remember 7 comes after 6 and before 8, perhaps that will help. John P (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) Yes, it sure does. I rechecked it (page 7 that is), and I stand by my statement; no tan bricks. Perhaps your own inability to count has had a bad impact on the inventories you've made, and that's why they're not being accepted. David (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Look at page 11 then, what I post here is quick, I sit for a very long time when I make the corrections and do not quote pages or steps. However you want to cut it, there are two tan bricks that are not in the inventory. That is the important (...) (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And yet one of the corrections you made has already been shown to be wrong and maybe a second one too (I don't know and I don't care if it is or isn't). Most people might take that as a sign that possibly their checking wasn't quite as (...) (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If anyone is spring loaded to the piss off position it is you. Regardless of what the page number was, the inventory is incorrect. Valium might be in the future for you, or high blood pressure. You really need to calm down. Let's remove all (...) (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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--snip-- (...) Such a vast banquet of irony in so few words. (...) I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Would you care to show one of these 'emails with pictures' that you refer to? Since I don't remember ever sending you an email in (...) (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Patterson wrote: <Snip other peoples comments> (...) John, Does this mean that you are using instructions to build your inventories or are you using actual MISB set contents? The latter would be a lot more accurate, (...) (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.inv)
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(...) I thought that I was answering David's e-mail to my e-mail address. Sorry, I am not too sure how to do all these tree things here and there. It wasn't you, It was mad David. John P (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The way I go about this is to print the Peeron inventory for the set. Then I match what is in my set. I use the actual set. I then build the model, and any variations. I note the differences on the printed inventory page. Almost all my sets (...) (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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I did two more sets last night, 4564 was correct except for one part. And very good news, 4558 was perfect. The sets done by you and Jennifer seem to be correct. I had forgot to mention that I am doing large sets first. I have done the basic sets, (...) (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) Basic sets... at last! Thank you a lot! I wish I had not destroyed the 350-2 and 550-1 boxes in my childhood. There were inventories on the side of the boxes - I wonder if there were any variations. As for the smaller sets: There _are_ model (...) (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) Do you think you'll be able to check/update PICSL as well. That would be a great help. Thanks, Steve (18 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) Thanks for the note. I destroyed a lot of things before I knew what I was doing. The very old gas station comes with hand painted red on the edges of some plates. I thought some dumb child had done that and I spent a very long time chipping it (...) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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When we do notes at the end of our comedy shows, we're always encouraged to just "take the note" rather than issue our rebuttals. The thinking being that we're not progressing toward being a better comedy troupe by going back and forth, but we DO do (...) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv, FTX)
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(...) I plan on that at some time in the future. I found one set that had the last two steps left off. I believe that it was 320, airplane. But I am sure that that was a rare oversight as the instuctions are just scans. I don't really know how much (...) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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(...) I am sorry to hear about this and wish you well. But I would also honestly recommend that at some point soon you are able to concentrate more on spending time with your family which seems a wiser investment than inventorying hundreds of toy (...) (18 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv) !
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