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Re: Peeron inventories
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lugnet.inv
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Thu, 8 Mar 2007 19:04:44 GMT
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In lugnet.inv, David Eaton wrote:
> John, I'm sorry to say this, but I think part of the problem is that you're
> being very insulting. It doesn't make people want to help you when you start
> accusing them and telling them they're incompetant.
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> > I am finding that 95% of the inventories are incorrect.
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> I have found that to be untrue. I have built in the vicinity of 50 sets from
> Peeron's inventories. Generally, I've done it for a few reasons:
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> 1) verify that a used set that I purchased was complete
> 2) to build the set again for fun
> 3) to verify an inventory
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> To date, of the 50-or-so sets I've built, I've found about 10 with errors. And
> every time I've caught an error, I've tried to send it to the Peeron team, and
> they've corrected it. So, in my experience, it's more like 20% of sets with
> errors.
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> And to be a little more clear, the sets that have errors often seem to have more
> than one. Inaccurate inventories have a few mistakes. But on the plus side, the
> majority of the inventory is correct. So an inaccurate inventory may be wrong
> for 5 pieces, but that accounts for maybe 2% of the set. And that would make
> Peeron about 99.6% accurate. That's roughly what I'd guess for their accuracy
> rate. And that's pretty good.
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> > I would suggest not to go by the inventories on Peeron as I have
> > now sent in 1000 emails with corrections and pictures and most are just
> > sitting there not being used to correct these inventories.
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> It seems you are saying this out of spite. And that's unfortunate. You could
> have instead chosen to say "be sure to be careful with Peeron inventories, as
> there are many inventories with inaccuracies", or something similar.
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> > The hard part is that they have gotten close on many, and miles away on a
> > few. I don't know if they now have sponsers so they do not care about the
> > quality of the product.
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> The hard part is you seem to blame Dan for this. And that's grossly unfair.
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> Dan's the tech guy at Peeron. He made the system because it was a neat idea, and
> he's a nice guy. He did NOT make the site because he was fed up with
> inaccuracies and demanded absolute perfection. Dan isn't the guy to go to when
> you have an error on an inventory. Dan's the guy you go to when you notice that
> the images aren't displaying correctly, or when the search function is broken.
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> Anyway, it's like being angry at the Wikipedia. If people contribute bad data,
> then that's what you'll get on the site. If people contribute good data, then
> *that's* what you'll get.
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> But it's hardly very gracious of you to say "That free service you're doing for
> me that I use all the time sucks because it's got a 1% error margin".
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> > I will list in Lugnet in the comments if the inventory is incorrect and
> > anyone wanting a correct one can email me. It is rather discourging to do
> > all this work and Dan won't even answer an email. I might also add that just
> > because something is listed as verified it isn't necessarily correct.
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> I'm very glad you're undertaking such a project. As a bit of a perfectionist
> myself, I have to say it's good to see someone who's capable actually going
> through the trouble of making sure things are correct. But I will say that you
> have to remember that not everyone's a perfectionist. You've got to be both
> patient and persistant.
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> DaveE
Dave:
It is not my purpose to be insulting; I call things like I see them. I am
almost 60 and I was a little less blunt when I was 30. Now at this age, I call
black black and white white. I have been 30 and was a bit less direct. I doubt
that you have been 60 while I have been 30. I could be wrong. I have collected
Lego for more years than most of the users of Lugnet have been alive. My point
of being direct is that need to be fixed and this is the opportunity to do so.
I have no patience for people that accept less than 100% when they publish
something. So I do not believe that I insulted, but I was straight forward. I
do not want people to help me; I want people and myself to help Peeron. I find
their use of that help missing.
As to 95% errors, it does not matter if it is one part or 100, an incorrect
inventory is an incorrect inventory. If you were counting a million dollars at
a bank and you were off by 500 someone would want the error corrected.
95% of the close to 900 sets that I have inventoried is a better statistical
sample that 50. Even at 20% that is a very large number. One in five you
cannot trust. I am saying that 95 in 100 you cannot trust.
I am not saying it out of spite either. It is a fact and, as I mentioned, I
call it like I see it. And the problem is not the errors, you missed the point
of my post completely, the problem is with them not correcting the errors. 2
years ago I sent a part correction, three different types of large hinge plates.
To this date they have not fixed that. So it is not impatience. Several months
have passed since I sent in the corrections of 001 and that has not been
corrected and the inventory is on the box and Peeron is way off. I have bought
around 5 sets on ebay that say they were verified with Peeron; guess what, they
were all incorrect.
I am patient and the whole purpose of this is to have a correct inventory and I
call it like I see it. It takes a lot of time to find the part #, take the
picture (for missing box pictures), email this all to Peeron and find nothing is
changed. I have another 6000 or so sets to inventory so my time is dear to me.
Hopefully you will see my point, I just would like them to use the stuff I am
sending in. For some I have waited a half year and it has not been changed,
please define patience in this context.
John
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Message has 3 Replies:
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| --snip-- (...) I've got a good idea for you John. Since you are retired, OCD and have already re-inventoried 1000 sets why don't you start a new database. Since you have done the checking that will be a new 1000 set inventory database up to the 100% (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv) !
| | | Re: Peeron inventories
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| (...) See, now, again, this has nothing to do with anything. Yeah, you're older than I am. You're older than most AFOLs. Ok. But I don't think being older gives you a free pass to be condescending. That's the sort of thing I mean. You can say what (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
| | | Re: Peeron inventories
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| John, I do appreciate your submissions - as Dave mentioned, that's the only way data can get to Peeron in the first place, by users taking pictures, making inventories, and submitting corrections. Note that some of these updates are more difficult (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv) !
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| John, I'm sorry to say this, but I think part of the problem is that you're being very insulting. It doesn't make people want to help you when you start accusing them and telling them they're incompetant. (...) I have found that to be untrue. I have (...) (18 years ago, 8-Mar-07, to lugnet.inv)
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