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Just a short note to let everyone know that our first show was a success. A
few minor glitches but overall everything went pretty well, or at least it
was going well when I had to leave for the airport.
We went through most of 600 handouts, each of which had www.lugnet.com and
the S@H number on them as well as a bunch of other stuff including the PNLTC
train parts diagram... (full sheet doublesided, thanks to several folks for
sharing, Scott S and I put together a "best of the best" available on request).
We got second place in the popularity contest, which coupled with the
appearance money should have covered all the expenses Chris (and a few
others) incurred. We were on the 6 and 11 o'clock news on one of the local
Detroit stations.
Our 10 gate "new Metro Terminal" was completed AT THE SHOW by Chris in a
demonstration of his building expertise. It's massive, and it drew a LOT of
favorable comment. It got done a lot faster than the real terminal at DTW
will! AND, we had an Airport Shuttle that was actually being used as an
Airport Shuttle, it went THROUGH the terminal building on its route. This
area featured the ONLY non LEGO of the whole show, Chris built an Air Force
1, complete with stretch limo, security team, and other aircraft waiting to
take off (but no Monica) which used Best-Lock stickers for the presidential
seal and "President of the United States" lettering along the fuselage.
We learned a few lessons, but encountered no major disasters. (I don't count
cars of my = bullet train hitting the floor, breaking into constituent parts
and being reassembled as "major" disasters... that happened twice. Note to
future shows, don't have track quite so close to the edge of the table!)
Thanks to all who helped work. I'll have some show pictures up on Brickshelf
hopefully tomorrow from a faster connection than this NYC hotel dialup...
Another plus mark in the "Lego Train clubs put on reliably crowd pleasing
shows" ledger with GATS, which helps make it easier for the next club and
the next show.
John Neal, pay attention, another 8 wider came out of the closet and showed
his stuff off on the layout... :-) Beautiful Big Boy and GP30 models! We had
to move a few things (like an entire monorail pier) to get clearance but it
was a neat sight. (yes I got pics of it and the GP30)
Kudos to Kai, Peter, Scott, Lester, Sandy, and especially Chris Leach who
was the driving force in pulling it all together. Thanks also to Steve Bliss
and the others who loaned a few items, and a big thanks to Brad J and LD for
support.
++Lar
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Glad to hear it was a success! Wish I could have been there, perhaps at a
later show.
-Tim
In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> Just a short note to let everyone know that our first show was a success. A
> few minor glitches but overall everything went pretty well, or at least it
> was going well when I had to leave for the airport.
>
> We went through most of 600 handouts, each of which had www.lugnet.com and
> the S@H number on them as well as a bunch of other stuff including the PNLTC
> train parts diagram... (full sheet doublesided, thanks to several folks for
> sharing, Scott S and I put together a "best of the best" available on request).
>
> We got second place in the popularity contest, which coupled with the
> appearance money should have covered all the expenses Chris (and a few
> others) incurred. We were on the 6 and 11 o'clock news on one of the local
> Detroit stations.
>
> Our 10 gate "new Metro Terminal" was completed AT THE SHOW by Chris in a
> demonstration of his building expertise. It's massive, and it drew a LOT of
> favorable comment. It got done a lot faster than the real terminal at DTW
> will! AND, we had an Airport Shuttle that was actually being used as an
> Airport Shuttle, it went THROUGH the terminal building on its route. This
> area featured the ONLY non LEGO of the whole show, Chris built an Air Force
> 1, complete with stretch limo, security team, and other aircraft waiting to
> take off (but no Monica) which used Best-Lock stickers for the presidential
> seal and "President of the United States" lettering along the fuselage.
>
> We learned a few lessons, but encountered no major disasters. (I don't count
> cars of my = bullet train hitting the floor, breaking into constituent parts
> and being reassembled as "major" disasters... that happened twice. Note to
> future shows, don't have track quite so close to the edge of the table!)
>
> Thanks to all who helped work. I'll have some show pictures up on Brickshelf
> hopefully tomorrow from a faster connection than this NYC hotel dialup...
>
> Another plus mark in the "Lego Train clubs put on reliably crowd pleasing
> shows" ledger with GATS, which helps make it easier for the next club and
> the next show.
>
> John Neal, pay attention, another 8 wider came out of the closet and showed
> his stuff off on the layout... :-) Beautiful Big Boy and GP30 models! We had
> to move a few things (like an entire monorail pier) to get clearance but it
> was a neat sight. (yes I got pics of it and the GP30)
>
> Kudos to Kai, Peter, Scott, Lester, Sandy, and especially Chris Leach who
> was the driving force in pulling it all together. Thanks also to Steve Bliss
> and the others who loaned a few items, and a big thanks to Brad J and LD for
> support.
>
> ++Lar
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To All,
Larry stole most of my thunder I had planned, but that's fine. I am
extremely tired after this weekend. I have over a hundred pictures from the
show, and I will try to get them on Brickshelf ASAP, I fought with it over 2
hours last night and gave up.
Anyway, we had an absolute blast this weekend, it was one of the funnest
LEGO events I have ever had. I think we had the real crowd pleaser, we had
to fight to get in and out of the display all weekend! : )
Setup up time was around 10 hours, plus a few trips to Chris Leach's house
to get the proper items. it is amazing what you can forget, such as green
road plates! ; ) We had a preliminery meeting last weekend on Sunday, and
Chris used Track Designer to get it together. We met everyone at Chris's
parents house, and went tot eh Novi Expo Center after that. We spent 6 hours
on Friday night setting the majority of it up, we had sections for each
persons cars, minifigs, and plants, trees and so on. On Friday night, Chris
Leach and his wife, my wife Lynn, my roommate Tony Hedglen, Peter Guenther
(SP?), Lester (I forgot his last name again), Kai B., Steve Bliss and his
wife and children (Thanks Jamie for helping a lot!) , and they helped set up
the majority of the display. I had to take the Suburban to Chris's house
twice to get all his stuff in!
We arrived there Saturday morning around 7:00AM, Chris, Tony, and I were the
first, Lester and Peter came later. We put the finishing touches on the
display, mostly minifigs, vehicles, and trains. We had a fun time trying to
run that much track on the different regulators. Chris started building his
Northwest Terminal as well, it was a work in progress, as we moved the
construction crews around as it was being completed. When the show opened at
11:00AM, we were near the entrance, so we had a lot of people come and look.
There were a lot of questions, like I didn't know LEGO made trains, how much
is this worth, what gauge, that kind of thing. One of the neat features is
that we had a 4561 Railway Express set up on a table in front with a big
LEGO sign Chris had, and our brochere that told a little bit about the
trains. We did this so people saw the difference, and what they could buy
right now, and showed them the S@H Catalog with the train items in it. Larry
did a bang up job on the flier, in terms of getting that perfected, and only
6 revisions! (Pretty good for the engineering field, Larry!) The children
really enjoyed it, and we had the airport monorail put in later in the day
Saturday, and a lot of people liked that, especially going through the
terminal and the like.We had some of the veteran train show goers tell us
about other groups and their train displays, such as DCLUG, etc, which tells
us that we are making a little impact on that community, which is just too
cool! : ) We had a constant two trains going at once, a passenger train and
the cargo trains, which we switched every now and then. We had Larry's
Milton Train Works trains, the Doodlebug, and the Bullet train in at various
times, along with his excellent hopper cars and some of his other rolling
stock items. We had a few derailments, power problems, and the like, but all
in all it went rather smoothly. We even had some people offer LEGO for our
club, and some other LEGO items, which was great.
Sunday was even busier than saturday, I think, we gave out virtually all of
our 600 fliers, a lot of LEGO catalogs, and a lot of information, and it was
just a blast. We shut down at 5:00PM, and got everything out the door by
9:00PM, so it was a pretty good job getting everything sorted. If anyone is
missing anything, either Chris L. or I have it, so feel free to e-mail us. I
think we got most of it right.
In closing, we had a few things we want to change, namely having a rope or
something around the display so people can't touch it so easily, some more
formal arangement so if people ar eintereste in the club, they can join,
etc. and better inventory of everyone's stuff!
> We went through most of 600 handouts, each of which had www.lugnet.com and
> the S@H number on them as well as a bunch of other stuff including the • PNLTC
> train parts diagram... (full sheet doublesided, thanks to several folks • for
> sharing, Scott S and I put together a "best of the best" available on
request).
Indeed, thanks to everyone who submitted things for this, we might want
ssomeone to have a resource website for future shows, etc.
> We got second place in the popularity contest, which coupled with the
> appearance money should have covered all the expenses Chris (and a few
> others) incurred. We were on the 6 and 11 o'clock news on one of the local
> Detroit stations.
Indeed, I think it was pretty good for our first showing. We will get that
Miami Valley next time! >:(
> Our 10 gate "new Metro Terminal" was completed AT THE SHOW by Chris in a
> demonstration of his building expertise. It's massive, and it drew a LOT • of
> favorable comment. It got done a lot faster than the real terminal at DTW
> will! AND, we had an Airport Shuttle that was actually being used as an
> Airport Shuttle, it went THROUGH the terminal building on its route.
That was simply stunning, excellent job, Chris! : )
> This area featured the ONLY non LEGO of the whole show, Chris built an Air • Force
> 1, complete with stretch limo, security team, and other aircraft waiting • to
> take off (but no Monica) which used Best-Lock stickers for the • presidential
> seal and "President of the United States" lettering along the fuselage.
Yes, and a lot of people liked that one, even if it was BEST-Lock stickers!
> We learned a few lessons, but encountered no major disasters. (I don't • count
> cars of my = bullet train hitting the floor, breaking into constituent • parts
> and being reassembled as "major" disasters... that happened twice. Note to
> future shows, don't have track quite so close to the edge of the table!)
That is for sure!
> Thanks to all who helped work. I'll have some show pictures up on • Brickshelf
> hopefully tomorrow from a faster connection than this NYC hotel dialup...
Me too, I will try to do it at work tomorrow morning.
> Another plus mark in the "Lego Train clubs put on reliably crowd pleasing
> shows" ledger with GATS, which helps make it easier for the next club and
> the next show.
>
> John Neal, pay attention, another 8 wider came out of the closet and • showed
> his stuff off on the layout... :-) Beautiful Big Boy and GP30 models! We • had
> to move a few things (like an entire monorail pier) to get clearance but • it
> was a neat sight. (yes I got pics of it and the GP30)
Yes, I don't know who that was, I was working the info booth up front, but
there were some excellent models, a lot of people were impressed!
> Kudos to Kai, Peter, Scott, Lester, Sandy, and especially Chris Leach who
> was the driving force in pulling it all together. Thanks also to Steve • Bliss
> and the others who loaned a few items, and a big thanks to Brad J and LD • for
> support.
Indeed, thanks to you as well, Larry. It was a blast. Anyway, I amrather
exhausted now, so I will try to go to sleep. We will get those pictures up
ASAP. It was an absolute blast, and I enjoyed it throughly.
Scott S
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Congrats, guys. I look forward to seeing a deluge of pics. Shows are
always exciting but you never forget the first one.
Just for the sake of asking, is the group here strictly a subset of MichLUG
or an 'LTC-proper?
Sounds like you learned allot, too. Has the Show Primer at our website (see
'Articles') been of any help to you?
dan parker
PNLTC
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In lugnet.trains.org, Dan Parker writes:
> Congrats, guys. I look forward to seeing a deluge of pics. Shows are
> always exciting but you never forget the first one.
>
> Just for the sake of asking, is the group here strictly a subset of MichLUG
> or an 'LTC-proper?
Dan it is a LTC proper...MLTC
> Sounds like you learned allot, too. Has the Show Primer at our website (see
> 'Articles') been of any help to you?
Myself personally i haven't seen that site however others in our group may have.
> dan parker
> PNLTC
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In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> Dan said:
> > Sounds like you learned a lot, too. Has the Show Primer at our website (see
> > 'Articles') been of any help to you?
>
> Myself personally i haven't seen that site however others in our group
> may have.
I inhaled it long ago...
I doubt there's any successful group that hasn't benefited from that primer.
I know that when I give advice to groups (and I give it to a lot of groups)
I point to it... It's a must read.
++Lar
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Youre' description is to me what bells were to Pavlov's dogs...
Pics? PLEASE?!?!!?
"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message
news:G76q7H.Huu@lugnet.com...
> Just a short note to let everyone know that our first show was a success. • A
> few minor glitches but overall everything went pretty well, or at least it
> was going well when I had to leave for the airport.
>
> We went through most of 600 handouts, each of which had www.lugnet.com and
> the S@H number on them as well as a bunch of other stuff including the • PNLTC
> train parts diagram... (full sheet doublesided, thanks to several folks • for
> sharing, Scott S and I put together a "best of the best" available on • request).
>
> We got second place in the popularity contest, which coupled with the
> appearance money should have covered all the expenses Chris (and a few
> others) incurred. We were on the 6 and 11 o'clock news on one of the local
> Detroit stations.
>
> Our 10 gate "new Metro Terminal" was completed AT THE SHOW by Chris in a
> demonstration of his building expertise. It's massive, and it drew a LOT • of
> favorable comment. It got done a lot faster than the real terminal at DTW
> will! AND, we had an Airport Shuttle that was actually being used as an
> Airport Shuttle, it went THROUGH the terminal building on its route. This
> area featured the ONLY non LEGO of the whole show, Chris built an Air • Force
> 1, complete with stretch limo, security team, and other aircraft waiting • to
> take off (but no Monica) which used Best-Lock stickers for the • presidential
> seal and "President of the United States" lettering along the fuselage.
>
> We learned a few lessons, but encountered no major disasters. (I don't • count
> cars of my = bullet train hitting the floor, breaking into constituent • parts
> and being reassembled as "major" disasters... that happened twice. Note to
> future shows, don't have track quite so close to the edge of the table!)
>
> Thanks to all who helped work. I'll have some show pictures up on • Brickshelf
> hopefully tomorrow from a faster connection than this NYC hotel dialup...
>
> Another plus mark in the "Lego Train clubs put on reliably crowd pleasing
> shows" ledger with GATS, which helps make it easier for the next club and
> the next show.
>
> John Neal, pay attention, another 8 wider came out of the closet and • showed
> his stuff off on the layout... :-) Beautiful Big Boy and GP30 models! We • had
> to move a few things (like an entire monorail pier) to get clearance but • it
> was a neat sight. (yes I got pics of it and the GP30)
>
> Kudos to Kai, Peter, Scott, Lester, Sandy, and especially Chris Leach who
> was the driving force in pulling it all together. Thanks also to Steve • Bliss
> and the others who loaned a few items, and a big thanks to Brad J and LD • for
> support.
>
> ++Lar
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In lugnet.trains.org, Tony Kilaras writes:
> Youre' description is to me what bells were to Pavlov's dogs...
> Pics? PLEASE?!?!!?
Tomorrow when I have a high bandwidth connection. Till then, salivate. :-)
++Lar
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Larry Pieniazek writes:
Hi Larry,
thanks for giving these first infos. Now it's like christmas: waiting for the
pictures....
I was amazed that everybody has to do some of the experiences for his own
again. At our last event I thought I would be able to recognize my stuff in any
case, so I could obmit to mark the models. But if your Metroliner-middlewaggon
is in a line of 7 others, they suddenly all look the same... And if you put
somebodys little amount of track just into one oval in one room, someone at
some time will shorten the oval and bear part of it somewhere else (not meaning
to "steal" it, but not thinking about who might be the owner of it). Then you
will find out that 50% of the track spenders haven't counted or marked their
stuff at all.
Rolling stock which is droping from tables is part of any good show too, as it
seems. If you haven't chrashes like that, you had not enough moving models and
visitors have been too far away from the layout. ;-)
What about your experience with driving trains of other people? We have thought
about kind of rule: only the owner of a train model is allowed to work on the
transformer, as long as his model is on the track. Has anybody else experiences
with rules like this, or is there no need for it? (I myself do not like to see
my favorites MOCs being part of a great train crash, caused by anyone else than
me.)
Leg Godt!
Ben
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In lugnet.trains.org, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes:
> In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Larry Pieniazek writes:
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> thanks for giving these first infos. Now it's like christmas: waiting for the
> pictures....
>
> I was amazed that everybody has to do some of the experiences for his own
> again.
Well, to a certain extent, advice is easy to give, and some of the things we
ran into were things that people in the group (remember, this is a very
loosely organized group with no structure, just forming, and many of the
group members had never worked with each other before this) such as myself
(who has been involved in, or advised about, many many shows) had given
advice about.
But advice is one thing and doing the work is another. Chris did the
majority of the work in organizing and pulling things together, and he's
never done this before. Not everyone was able to be there at the setup, and
nothing compares to going through it yourself.
So I am not going to fault anyone for not taking advice beforehand. Advice
is easy to give. Doing it is much harder.
> At our last event I thought I would be able to recognize my stuff in any
> case, so I could obmit to mark the models. But if your Metroliner-middlewaggon
> is in a line of 7 others, they suddenly all look the same... And if you put
> somebodys little amount of track just into one oval in one room, someone at
> some time will shorten the oval and bear part of it somewhere else (not >meaning
> to "steal" it, but not thinking about who might be the owner of it). Then you
> will find out that 50% of the track spenders haven't counted or marked their
> stuff at all.
Two suggestions: Don't bring stock models, you'll know your own MOCs, and
use stickers on the bottoms of things and inventory lists.
> Rolling stock which is droping from tables is part of any good show too, as it
> seems. If you haven't chrashes like that, you had not enough moving models and
> visitors have been too far away from the layout. ;-)
>
> What about your experience with driving trains of other people? We have
> thought about kind of rule: only the owner of a train model is allowed to
> work on the transformer, as long as his model is on the track. Has anybody
> else experiences with rules like this, or is there no need for it? (I
> myself do not like to see my favorites MOCs being part of a great train
> crash, caused by anyone else than me.)
This seems unworkable, as all our controllers are in the center, and we
needed the majority of the folks working the show on the outside, doing the
"any questions, here's a flyer that answers all the common ones, kids,
please step back and don't put your hands on the layout, stop taking those
trees off, yes LEGO has made trains since 1965, no, it's a stealth product
but go read about it on lugnet.com, etc." routine.
Both of my bullet nosedives were when someone else was on the controls and
neither was the "fault" of the controller. We mostly didn't have anyone "on
the controls" the center person just tripped the master power if anyone
yelled "power".
We used three controllers per track circuit to lessen voltage drops. One
circuit had gaps, one didn't. The gapped one was easier to control as you
could more easily adjust speeds independently (it looks cool to have the
train crawl through the yard and speed up on the other parts of the line)
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains.org, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, Tony Kilaras writes:
> > Youre' description is to me what bells were to Pavlov's dogs...
> > Pics? PLEASE?!?!!?
>
> Tomorrow when I have a high bandwidth connection. Till then, salivate. :-)
>
> ++Lar
Scott Sanburn got his uploaded... these are smaller (640x480) pics but
faster loading:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?m=ssanburn
(he has his pics organized by day)
This shot of Scott's is a favorite of mine:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=28098 as it shows just how
MASSIVE the airport terminal is, and frames the monorail just emerging from
the terminal building. Chris assures me that apart from selective
compression and grey instead of white, that this is what the new DTW
terminal will look like.
This one: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=28097 is also a
fav as it shows just how badly the First Sax Player (soon to be First
Rancher) can gum up metro when he visits.
I am in the process of uploading as we speak and when I am done, mine will
be here:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=2837
Mine are huge (12x16hundred) so will be a lot slower to view. I just
uploaded a big zip and it failed to work so I have to do it image by image.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains.org, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> Both of my bullet nosedives were when someone else was on the controls and
> neither was the "fault" of the controller. We mostly didn't have anyone "on
> the controls" the center person just tripped the master power if anyone
> yelled "power".
Er, let me eat those words. One nosedive was due to me, and was while I was
on the controls. I was trying to get the bullet to run as fast as I dared, a
middle coach tipped over on a curve (it was the inside of a doubletrack) and
was plowed off the table by an oncoming freight (someone yelled "power" when
the tipover happened but there wasn't time to shut down before the freight
arrived).
That wreck is reminiscent of the conrail/amtrak wreck a few years back. BTW
I shouldn't talk about wrecks because I am riding Acela NYC-Boston tomorrow...
++Lar
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> Just a short note to let everyone know that our first show was a success. A
> few minor glitches but overall everything went pretty well, or at least it
> was going well when I had to leave for the airport.
Congratulations, MTLC!! Lar, have you forsaken your wandering ways and found an
LTC to call home? BTW, Whose on the club logo committee?
> We went through most of 600 handouts, each of which had www.lugnet.com and
> the S@H number on them as well as a bunch of other stuff including the PNLTC
> train parts diagram... (full sheet doublesided, thanks to several folks for
> sharing, Scott S and I put together a "best of the best" available on request).
>
> We got second place in the popularity contest, which coupled with the
> appearance money should have covered all the expenses Chris (and a few
> others) incurred. We were on the 6 and 11 o'clock news on one of the local
> Detroit stations.
>
> Our 10 gate "new Metro Terminal" was completed AT THE SHOW by Chris in a
> demonstration of his building expertise. It's massive, and it drew a LOT of
> favorable comment. It got done a lot faster than the real terminal at DTW
> will! AND, we had an Airport Shuttle that was actually being used as an
> Airport Shuttle, it went THROUGH the terminal building on its route. This
> area featured the ONLY non LEGO of the whole show, Chris built an Air Force
> 1, complete with stretch limo, security team, and other aircraft waiting to
> take off (but no Monica) which used Best-Lock stickers for the presidential
> seal and "President of the United States" lettering along the fuselage.
This airport is very massive and very impressive! I love the huge scale of it and
of the other buildings as well. What was the outside dimension of the entire
layout?
> We learned a few lessons, but encountered no major disasters. (I don't count
> cars of my = bullet train hitting the floor, breaking into constituent parts
> and being reassembled as "major" disasters... that happened twice. Note to
> future shows, don't have track quite so close to the edge of the table!)
>
> Thanks to all who helped work. I'll have some show pictures up on Brickshelf
> hopefully tomorrow from a faster connection than this NYC hotel dialup...
>
> Another plus mark in the "Lego Train clubs put on reliably crowd pleasing
> shows" ledger with GATS, which helps make it easier for the next club and
> the next show.
>
> John Neal, pay attention, another 8 wider came out of the closet and showed
> his stuff off on the layout... :-) Beautiful Big Boy and GP30 models! We had
> to move a few things (like an entire monorail pier) to get clearance but it
> was a neat sight. (yes I got pics of it and the GP30)
Noted. I think we will start finding that there will be 1 or so in every club,
which I think is good (does he have a name?). I look forward to your pics, Lar.
I just hope GATS doesn't expect bohemoth LEGO layouts like yours from *every*
club:-)
Again, congratulations to all!
-John (J-2)
GMLTC
> Kudos to Kai, Peter, Scott, Lester, Sandy, and especially Chris Leach who
> was the driving force in pulling it all together. Thanks also to Steve Bliss
> and the others who loaned a few items, and a big thanks to Brad J and LD for
> support.
>
> ++Lar
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In lugnet.trains.org, Scott Edward Sanburn writes:
> To All,
>
> Larry stole most of my thunder I had planned, but that's fine. I am
> extremely tired after this weekend. I have over a hundred pictures from the
> show, and I will try to get them on Brickshelf ASAP, I fought with it over 2
> hours last night and gave up.
>
> Anyway, we had an absolute blast this weekend, it was one of the funnest
> LEGO events I have ever had. I think we had the real crowd pleaser, we had
> to fight to get in and out of the display all weekend! : )
Thanks for the Herculean effort to get everything set up. You gentlemen
are amazing. And thanks for answering all my questions; trains are not
my area of play...yet.
Tom Napolitano...tomnap@bersama.net
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Tom,
> Thanks for the Herculean effort to get everything set
> up. You gentlemen
> are amazing. And thanks for answering all my questions;
> trains are not
> my area of play...yet.
>
> Tom Napolitano...tomnap@bersama.net
Thank you, sir. We are glad to provide assistance, and I
hope you enjoyed the display. Have a great week!
Scott S.
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In lugnet.trains.org, John Neal
> Congratulations, MTLC!! Lar, have you forsaken your wandering ways and found an
Kai,myself ,Larry and Scott all had a hand in it.
>
> This airport is very massive and very impressive! I love the huge scale of it and
> of the other buildings as well. What was the outside dimension of the entire
> layout?
John,outside dimension was 24 ft.X 23 ft.The opening in the middle was 14
ft.X 8 ft.Total plate count was around 520 (including 32 of the large grey
48 stud((15 inch)) plates).All of this was on 22 tables(2-1/2ft.X 8ft. each)
Ps pics. from Scott are now on brickshelf.
>
> Noted. I think we will start finding that there will be 1 or so in every club,
> which I think is good (does he have a name?). I look forward to your pics
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In lugnet.trains.org, John Neal writes:
>
>
> Larry Pieniazek wrote:
>
> > Just a short note to let everyone know that our first show was a success. A
> > few minor glitches but overall everything went pretty well, or at least it
> > was going well when I had to leave for the airport.
>
> Congratulations, MTLC!! Lar, have you forsaken your wandering ways
> and found an LTC to call home?
Never. I am the man without a country, minister without portfolio, gadfly
and general nuisance to LUGs and LTC everywhere.
++Lar
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> > Congratulations, MTLC!! Lar, have you forsaken your • wandering ways
> > and found an LTC to call home?
>
> Never. I am the man without a country, minister without
> portfolio, gadfly
> and general nuisance to LUGs and LTC everywhere.
>
> ++Lar
That's for sure! ;)
Larry was a really nice guy, who kept things in step. We
just happen to be closet to Larry, I think.
Scott S.
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Please visit http://www.cleanweb.net
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In lugnet.trains.org, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, John Neal writes:
> >
> >
> > Larry Pieniazek wrote:
<snip>
> > Congratulations, MTLC!!
Yes!!! congratulations! Impressive showing!
> > Lar, have you forsaken your wandering ways
> > and found an LTC to call home?
>
> Never. I am the man without a country, minister without portfolio, gadfly
> and general nuisance to LUGs and LTC everywhere.
Promises, promises ... you haven't made it to NC yet...
sheree
> ++Lar
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> Our 10 gate "new Metro Terminal" was completed AT THE SHOW by Chris in a
> demonstration of his building expertise. It's massive, and it drew a LOT of
> favorable comment. It got done a lot faster than the real terminal at DTW
> will! AND, we had an Airport Shuttle that was actually being used as an
> Airport Shuttle, it went THROUGH the terminal building on its route. This
> area featured the ONLY non LEGO of the whole show, Chris built an Air Force
> 1, complete with stretch limo, security team, and other aircraft waiting to
> take off (but no Monica) which used Best-Lock stickers for the presidential
> seal and "President of the United States" lettering along the fuselage.
The airport was awesome! Now only if they offered gray 2x2 tiles in 100
packs... :)
Actually the whole layout was very well done. I have to say, I prefer the look
of the "baseplate" landscape to the "brick" landscape. There is something
about the "brick" land style that is just too distracting. For some reason the
baseplate-based system just looks more convincing. I know that is
counterintuitive but it's what I see. Maybe it's because real live landscapes,
even hilly ones are essentially flat when viewed from most angles of elevation.
Brick based landscapes have too many "rectangular fractal" components, both
horizontal and vertical. Maybe that's what it is.
I love the McDonalds, but aren't the roof stripes white? Also, where's the
Pizza Hut? Don't they always go in pairs?
I also noticed that you used stock folding tables. Were these provided by the
exhibition hall? If so, how did you know that they would be the same height,
be level and in good repair? It looks like it worked out fine but I would hate
to have to worry about that for every show.
Great job!
KL
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Kevin Loch wrote:
> Actually the whole layout was very well done. I have to say, I prefer the look
> of the "baseplate" landscape to the "brick" landscape. There is something
> about the "brick" land style that is just too distracting. For some reason the
> baseplate-based system just looks more convincing. I know that is
> counterintuitive but it's what I see. Maybe it's because real live landscapes,
> even hilly ones are essentially flat when viewed from most angles of elevation.
> Brick based landscapes have too many "rectangular fractal" components, both
> horizontal and vertical. Maybe that's what it is.
Interesting analysis, Kevin. I am curious, would you then advocate using, say a
mountain, which is non-LEGO and made out of paper mache? On a related note: it
seems to me that TLC used to make their dioramas out of bricks more than they do
today. Now, it's mostly computerized backdrops. I always thought that it was due
to cost considerations-- I never thought it might be because someone *preferred*
it that way. I wonder how others feel? Others?
-John
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In lugnet.trains.org, Kevin Loch writes:
> I love the McDonalds, but aren't the roof stripes white?
I think it varies.
> I also noticed that you used stock folding tables. Were these provided by the
> exhibition hall? If so, how did you know that they would be the same height,
> be level and in good repair? It looks like it worked out fine but I
> would hate to have to worry about that for every show.
They were provided. and they were NOT the same height, and not level. This
caused much trouble. They WERE in good repair. No one on the Detroit side of
the state (this is a club that just formed for this show) has storage space
for tables and for the crowd control ropes that MICHLTC is favoring now.
Maybe after a few more shows the appearance money will pay for tables...
++Lar
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I will say that I liked the baseplate look (I wish I had that many plates
for the NGLTC layout, but for now the tables are painted base plate green)
but it looked like it had a few draw backs. For one I don't think you'd have
a lot of flexibility in how the layout was arranged, you're forced to build
the layout in a grid format. When we (NGLTC) do shows it's a little more
freeform, we have a general idea of where things will go, but other than the
downtown area we pretty much put things how ever they fit around the track
layout. The track pretty much dictates the lay of the land. I'm curious on
how the MICHLUG felt the layout process went.
As for flat being better, well I don't know about that one. I think
elevations and dips give a layout more to look at, including the addition of
some bridges. I don't know what the fascination is, but people love to see
the trains climb elevations and go across bridges.
I tried a plaster mountain (inspired by the 1998 summer S@H catalog with
trains on the cover) for the first few NGLTC shows. It had some clone bricks
mixed in to give a LEGO feel, but it was all foam and plaster. But ever show
I would always get the comment "hey the mountain is made of LEGO bricks", so
this year I retired the mountain and have begun working on brick mountain.
Of course I have no idea how I'll fit it in the van, it's already full of
tables and the rest of the buildings, trains, controls and etc.
I did notice the lack of crowd control on the MICHLUG layout, very brave
indeed. There were a few pictures of little hands right on the tracks, they
tend to back off after you slam a train into them, but they seem to come
back to try it again. I found that the KRR really helps keep the little
hands off the layout, gives them something to touch, and at a train show
that a rarity.
Good job MICHLUG, I was very impressed with the size of the layout, glad you
guys pulled it off so well,
jt
--
James J. Trobaugh
North Georgia LEGO Train Club
http://www.ngltc.org
John Neal <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote in message
news:3A638C69.CF632205@uswest.net...
>
> Kevin Loch wrote:
>
> > Actually the whole layout was very well done. I have to say, I prefer • the look
> > of the "baseplate" landscape to the "brick" landscape. There is • something
> > about the "brick" land style that is just too distracting. For some • reason the
> > baseplate-based system just looks more convincing. I know that is
> > counterintuitive but it's what I see. Maybe it's because real live • landscapes,
> > even hilly ones are essentially flat when viewed from most angles of • elevation.
> > Brick based landscapes have too many "rectangular fractal" components, • both
> > horizontal and vertical. Maybe that's what it is.
>
> Interesting analysis, Kevin. I am curious, would you then advocate using, • say a
> mountain, which is non-LEGO and made out of paper mache? On a related • note: it
> seems to me that TLC used to make their dioramas out of bricks more than • they do
> today. Now, it's mostly computerized backdrops. I always thought that it • was due
> to cost considerations-- I never thought it might be because someone • *preferred*
> it that way. I wonder how others feel? Others?
>
> -John
>
>
>
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In lugnet.trains.org, John Neal writes:
>
> Interesting analysis, Kevin. I am curious, would you then advocate using, say • a
> mountain, which is non-LEGO and made out of paper mache? On a related note:
it
Absolutely not! I'm a purist to the point that I don't even like homemade
stickers. Besides, mountains are supposed to be rough and 3-dimensional.
The effect that I like is when you see a scene (or picture) that has nothing
but LEGO in the field of view it can magically transform into an almost
believable scene. Not necessarally an accurate representation but one that
suddenly gives you the "you are there" feeling. It's hard to do. The only
thing I know for sure is that it requires nothing but LEGO within the field of
view.
For example, this looks like an impressive airport scene at a train show:
ttp://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=28039
While this image gives you the feeling you are actually looking at an airport
(not an airport model at a train show):
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=28052
Now obviously your cognitive mind knows you are looking at a LEGO model
and not an actual airport, some other, part of your mind says
that it matches patterns with things that look like an airport.
How does this relate to baseplates vs bricks? I'm not sure, but my subjective
analysis is that baseplates provide a self-symetry that makes it look more
"natural". It may be subjective though and I'm not qualified to state that as
fact. There are other advantages too, chiefly the ability to rapidly and
arbitrarally reconfigure the layout. Of course there are advantages to the
brick method too, such as built-in elevation for underground features.
KL
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In lugnet.trains.org, James Trobaugh writes:
> I will say that I liked the baseplate look (I wish I had that many plates
> for the NGLTC layout, but for now the tables are painted base plate green)
> but it looked like it had a few draw backs. For one I don't think you'd have
> a lot of flexibility in how the layout was arranged, you're forced to build
> the layout in a grid format. When we (NGLTC) do shows it's a little more
> freeform, we have a general idea of where things will go, but other than the
> downtown area we pretty much put things how ever they fit around the track
> layout. The track pretty much dictates the lay of the land. I'm curious on
> how the MICHLUG felt the layout process went.
When i designed that on track designer i was going for the "city block"
look.We were able to get a ton of plates(over 400) from TLC so i really
wasn't forced into that design.When we walked in there(to setup) i had the
road allready designed and printed out so that we could put it together
quickly.We did change a few road patterns here or there to make room for
certain buildings.The plan wasn't set in stone just a starting point to get
us going.
>
> I did notice the lack of crowd control on the MICHLUG layout, very brave
> indeed. There were a few pictures of little hands right on the tracks, they
> tend to back off after you slam a train into them, but they seem to come
> back to try it again. I found that the KRR really helps keep the little
> hands off the layout, gives them something to touch, and at a train show
Yes we will go with crowd barriers in the next show.
> Good job MICHLUG, I was very impressed with the size of the layout, glad you
> guys pulled it off so well,
>
> jt
> --
> James J. Trobaugh
> North Georgia LEGO Train Club
> http://www.ngltc.org
> John Neal <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote in message
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In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Larry Pieniazek writes:
OK, I FINALLY got all the pics from my camera uploaded. 8 wide fans, take
particular note of the pics starting here
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=28216
but be warned they are very slow loading...
Enjoy.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> When i designed that on track designer i was going for the "city block"
> look.We were able to get a ton of plates(over 400) from TLC so i really
It's good to see they helped out like that. Did that include road plates
and runway plates or just green 32x32's?
KL
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In lugnet.trains.org, Kevin Loch writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> > When i designed that on track designer i was going for the "city block"
> > look.We were able to get a ton of plates(over 400) from TLC so i really
>
> It's good to see they helped out like that. Did that include road plates
> and runway plates or just green 32x32's?
200 green 32x32's, 192 straight road, 26 T roads ,32 grey 48x48 and
trees.Funny thing on the trees is they told me if i needed anything else
other then the plates that i could get it at cost.So i told them give me
$100 worth of the large trees.That came to 26 packages for $96And
change.Mean while part of the plate order(the 200 green) was lost buy UPS.As
i'm on the phone with the S@H rep discussing the lost plates we went over
the rest of the order that's when she told me she sent me the SMALL packs of
trees(25 count).So when she re sent the 200 greens again she tacked on
another 20 packs of trees ,the large 10 count ones.So we ended up with 850
trees along with my own and Scotts.
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Is that dust on the engine part of a weathering effect? :)
--
James J. Trobaugh
North Georgia LEGO Train Club
http://www.ngltc.org
Larry Pieniazek <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message
news:G78Fw0.FsE@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.org.us.michlug, Larry Pieniazek writes:
>
> OK, I FINALLY got all the pics from my camera uploaded. 8 wide fans, take
> particular note of the pics starting here
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=28216
>
> but be warned they are very slow loading...
>
> Enjoy.
>
> ++Lar
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In lugnet.trains.org, James Trobaugh writes:
> Is that dust on the engine part of a weathering effect? :)
No, I think Steve just has had those built a while. He appeared Saturday,
said he read LUGNet(tm) and did we want to see his trains? <grin> ... which
he brought in on Sunday. Both the GP30 and the Big Boy are his.
++Lar
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James & All,
Not knowing what train you are referring to, I am sure my trains are the
dustiest, as they sat on the shelf for awhile, all the other people's trains
looked good.
Scott "Dust smacks" S.
--
Want LEGO Elements at Great Prices?
Visit The Sanburn Systems Company
www.sanburnsystems.com
Scott E. Sanburn, Owner
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In lugnet.trains.org, James Trobaugh writes:
<snip>
> I tried a plaster mountain (inspired by the 1998 summer S@H catalog with
> trains on the cover) for the first few NGLTC shows. It had some clone bricks
> mixed in to give a LEGO feel, but it was all foam and plaster. But ever show
> I would always get the comment "hey the mountain is made of LEGO bricks", so
> this year I retired the mountain and have begun working on brick mountain.
> Of course I have no idea how I'll fit it in the van, it's already full of
> tables and the rest of the buildings, trains, controls and etc.
> <snip>
You could do it in sections like I did for the last show that WAMALUG (and
coincidently I) did. Keeping it to one 32 long X 'N' wide sections, you can
do a faily decent mountain.
Rich
--
Have Fun! C-Ya!
Legoman34
*****
Legoman34 (Richard W. Schamus)... (My views do not necessarily express the
views of my employer...)
BRICKFEST 2001 IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER... START MAKING PLANS TODAY.
Card carrying LUGNET MEMBER: #70
Visit http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/1334
...(the wait is over...)
..."The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." ...
*****
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In lugnet.trains.org, James Trobaugh writes:
<snip>
> I tried a plaster mountain (inspired by the 1998 summer S@H catalog with
> trains on the cover) for the first few NGLTC shows. It had some clone bricks
> mixed in to give a LEGO feel, but it was all foam and plaster. But ever show
> I would always get the comment "hey the mountain is made of LEGO bricks", so
> this year I retired the mountain and have begun working on brick mountain.
> Of course I have no idea how I'll fit it in the van, it's already full of
> tables and the rest of the buildings, trains, controls and etc.
> <snip>
You could do it in sections like I did for the last show that WAMALUG (and
coincidently I) did. Keeping it to one 32 long X 'N' wide sections, you can
do a faily decent mountain.
Rich
--
Have Fun! C-Ya!
Legoman34
*****
Legoman34 (Richard W. Schamus)... (My views do not necessarily express the
views of my employer...)
BRICKFEST 2001 IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER... START MAKING PLANS TODAY.
Card carrying LUGNET MEMBER: #70
Visit http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Castle/1334
...(the wait is over...)
..."The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." ...
*****
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In lugnet.trains.org, Larry Pieniazek writes:
>
> So I am not going to fault anyone for not taking advice beforehand. Advice
> is easy to give. Doing it is much harder.
indeed: and even nosediving engines offer lots of fun (and memorable moments),
after you have survived the first shock and found out nothong important is
broken...
> Two suggestions: Don't bring stock models, you'll know your own MOCs, and
> use stickers on the bottoms of things and inventory lists.
That's in fact planned for the next meeting.
> > What about your experience with driving trains of other people? We have
> > thought about kind of rule: only the owner of a train model is allowed to
> > work on the transformer, as long as his model is on the track. Has anybody
> > else experiences with rules like this, or is there no need for it? (I
> > myself do not like to see my favorites MOCs being part of a great train
> > crash, caused by anyone else than me.)
>
> This seems unworkable, as all our controllers are in the center, and we
> needed the majority of the folks working the show on the outside.
Ok, that's the difference between a 100% Lego®-fan meeting and GATS. At our
meetings we never needed flyers and that stuff: all visitors exept from
children have been familiar with Lego® trains.
We always have had layouts with lots of ramps and bridges. So you need always
someone at the controller or trains won't go upphills or derail in downhill
curves. A flat 9V track layout can be handled without any problems as long as
any train runs on its own oval.
> We used three controllers per track circuit to lessen voltage drops. One
> circuit had gaps, one didn't. The gapped one was easier to control as you
> could more easily adjust speeds independently (it looks cool to have the
> train crawl through the yard and speed up on the other parts of the line)
That's a nice idea. We have used two transformers for upgoing track (full
power) and downhill track (reduced voltage) at our 1998 layout with the 4
meters bridge, but we haven't used gaps in the circuit.
BTW: I have just downloded all pictures from brickshelf: Larry P., Kai B. and
Scott S. have uploaded 52.2 Mb of picture data.... I fear it will take some
hours to take a clooser look at the stuff this evening. (And one hint at Larry
P.: I know cameras with some Megapixels are cool, but despite of this pictures
with reduced resolution (for e.g. 640x480) seem to offer enough quality for the
internet, don't they? If 400-kB-pictures like this one should be published at
all, is another question, one could dare to ask. ;-)
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=28129
But in general I cannot get enough pictures of Lego®-train shows. Great chance
to find lots of good models in nice ambience. Thanks at all from MichLTC for
sharing them with us!
Leg Godt!
Ben
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In lugnet.trains.org, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes:
> BTW: I have just downloded all pictures from brickshelf: Larry P., Kai B. and
> Scott S. have uploaded 52.2 Mb of picture data.... I fear it will take some
> hours to take a clooser look at the stuff this evening. (And one hint at Larry
> P.: I know cameras with some Megapixels are cool, but despite of this pictures
> with reduced resolution (for e.g. 640x480) seem to offer enough quality for >the
> internet, don't they?
Yes, but I don't like to take reduced resolution pics... and I didn't have
the time to go through and make them smaller. So I dumped them all up with no QC
> If 400-kB-pictures like this one should be published at
> all, is another question, one could dare to ask. ;-)
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=28129
which leads to ones like the above which is gone now...
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains.org, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> which leads to ones like the above which is gone now...
Er, that is, I am *trying* to delete it but not having any luck...
++Lar
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Larry Pieniazek wrote:
>
> In lugnet.trains.org, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes:
>
> > BTW: I have just downloded all pictures from brickshelf: Larry P., Kai B. and
> > Scott S. have uploaded 52.2 Mb of picture data.... I fear it will take some
> > hours to take a clooser look at the stuff this evening. (And one hint at Larry
> > P.: I know cameras with some Megapixels are cool, but despite of this pictures
> > with reduced resolution (for e.g. 640x480) seem to offer enough quality for >the
> > internet, don't they?
>
> Yes, but I don't like to take reduced resolution pics... and I didn't have
> the time to go through and make them smaller. So I dumped them all up with no QC
I usually try to crop or reduce the size of pictures, but it certainly
adds time to the process. What would be nice is if Brickshelf had some
way to specify on your viewing the max picture size you wanted to see,
and then it would auto-scale pictures which are too big. Of course that
would require more run time CPU power or a fixed set of max size choices
and extra disk space (if it was done this way, one could probably
actually get away with a single max size of 640x480, and just store that
preference in a cookie).
> > If 400-kB-pictures like this one should be published at
> > all, is another question, one could dare to ask. ;-)
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=28129
>
> which leads to ones like the above which is gone now...
Hmm, still seems to be there. I often skim through the pictures on the
camera, and delete things like that before I even get close to the PC.
--
Frank Filz
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Work: mailto:ffilz@us.ibm.com (business only please)
Home: mailto:ffilz@mindspring.com
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In lugnet.trains.org, Kevin Wilson writes:
> Scott Sanburn wrote in message ...
> > Larry was a really nice guy, who kept things in step. We
> > just happen to be closet to Larry, I think.
>
> Hmmm... you're the closet that Larry's coming out of? :-)
My collection outgrew closets long ago. Now it's threatening to outgrow the
entire basement. :-)
Oh, you mean *that* closet. Well I do want/need to put a rainbow sticker on
my car, it's true, but I'm happy with the side of the bread my butter is on,
thanks.
BTW I love that your brickbay icon is a guy in leather... :-) Somehow I'd
always pictured you more as a bear, for some reason.
(Josette had to take the "homophobia is a social disease" sticker off the
Durango, it got too much of a response from the local rednecks... but she
left the "somewhere, right now, stupid people are breeding" one on, just for
them.)
++Lar
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> Not knowing what train you are referring to, I am sure my trains are the
> dustiest, as they sat on the shelf for awhile, all the other people's trains
> looked good.
That's OK, Scott--the festoons of dust flying off just added a nice effect.
Artificial smoke without the chemical smell =)
I just wanted to add that I, too, had a lot of fun at the show. The whole
thing was great. The best part was when kids came in, saw the 4561 set up
on a separate table and ran over to see it, then wanted to see it run. I
had to tell them we didn't have an outlet there so couldn't run it (who'd
want to run a 4561 anyhow? =), but "the trains back there are running!" And
then for the first time many of them noticed 24' x 24' of Lego...
Peter
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Peter & All,
> > Not knowing what train you are referring to, I am sure my trains are • the
> > dustiest, as they sat on the shelf for awhile, all the other people's • trains
> > looked good.
>
> That's OK, Scott--the festoons of dust flying off just added a nice • effect.
> Artificial smoke without the chemical smell =)
That was a bad smell, maybe they can shoot some air freshener in that smoke
maker. Nice effect, though. : )
> I just wanted to add that I, too, had a lot of fun at the show. The whole
> thing was great. The best part was when kids came in, saw the 4561 set up
> on a separate table and ran over to see it, then wanted to see it run. I
> had to tell them we didn't have an outlet there so couldn't run it (who'd
> want to run a 4561 anyhow? =), but "the trains back there are running!" • And
> then for the first time many of them noticed 24' x 24' of Lego...
Indeed, the kids enjoyed it, but I bet the AFOL'S enjoyed it more, outside
of packup, the occasional train accident, etc.
Scott " I Want my airport just like Chris's when it grows up" S.
--
Want LEGO Elements at Great Prices?
Visit The Sanburn Systems Company
www.sanburnsystems.com
Scott E. Sanburn, Owner
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[snip]
Larry Pieniazek <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message
news:G77JA4.7Mx@lugnet.com...
> Mine are huge (12x16hundred) so will be a lot slower to view. I just
> uploaded a big zip and it failed to work so I have to do it image by
image.
That would be your first clue that these images are *way* too big for most
folks.
Thanks for sharing Larry, but these pictures would be better if formatted
for downloading and viewing on a 'normal' system. Not everyone has a
broadband connection and a 20" monitor...
Build On!
John Matthews
>
> ++Lar
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This is AMAZING -- love the airport!
David
"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message
news:G77JA4.7Mx@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.trains.org, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.trains.org, Tony Kilaras writes:
> > > Youre' description is to me what bells were to Pavlov's dogs...
> > > Pics? PLEASE?!?!!?
> >
> > Tomorrow when I have a high bandwidth connection. Till then, salivate. • :-)
> >
> > ++Lar
>
> Scott Sanburn got his uploaded... these are smaller (640x480) pics but
> faster loading:
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?m=ssanburn
>
> (he has his pics organized by day)
>
> This shot of Scott's is a favorite of mine:
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=28098 as it shows just how
> MASSIVE the airport terminal is, and frames the monorail just emerging • from
> the terminal building. Chris assures me that apart from selective
> compression and grey instead of white, that this is what the new DTW
> terminal will look like.
>
> This one: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=28097 is also a
> fav as it shows just how badly the First Sax Player (soon to be First
> Rancher) can gum up metro when he visits.
>
> I am in the process of uploading as we speak and when I am done, mine will
> be here:
>
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=2837
>
> Mine are huge (12x16hundred) so will be a lot slower to view. I just
> uploaded a big zip and it failed to work so I have to do it image by • image.
>
> ++Lar
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In lugnet.trains.org, David Mitby writes:
> This is AMAZING -- love the airport!
Thanks David.I actually had to finish it as the show was going.It didn't
make the trip there to well.Most of it was done but before the show but
transporting it took a big toll on it.I will redesign it a little to make it
alot stronger.It also was the last thing i worked on as i wanted to make
sure everything else was ready.I figured if it wasn't done by show time i
would treat the crowd to a demonstration on how to build a little.
> David
> > >
> > > ++Lar
> >
> > Scott Sanburn got his uploaded... these are smaller (640x480) pics but
> > faster loading:
> >
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?m=ssanburn
> >
> > (he has his pics organized by day)
> >
> > This shot of Scott's is a favorite of mine:
> > http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=28098 as it shows just how
> > MASSIVE the airport terminal is, and frames the monorail just emerging • from
> > the terminal building. Chris assures me that apart from selective
> > compression and grey instead of white, that this is what the new DTW
> > terminal will look like.
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"Peter F. Guenther" wrote:
>
> > Not knowing what train you are referring to, I am sure my trains are the
> > dustiest, as they sat on the shelf for awhile, all the other people's trains
> > looked good.
>
> That's OK, Scott--the festoons of dust flying off just added a nice effect.
> Artificial smoke without the chemical smell =)
You know perfumes are chemicals too! Oh...sure...all chemicals stink.
Chris
(cmasi@cmasi.CHEM.tulane.edu)
>
> I just wanted to add that I, too, had a lot of fun at the show. The whole
> thing was great. The best part was when kids came in, saw the 4561 set up
> on a separate table and ran over to see it, then wanted to see it run. I
> had to tell them we didn't have an outlet there so couldn't run it (who'd
> want to run a 4561 anyhow? =), but "the trains back there are running!" And
> then for the first time many of them noticed 24' x 24' of Lego...
>
> Peter
--
PGP public key available upon request.
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In lugnet.trains.org, John Matthews writes:
> [snip]
>
> Larry Pieniazek <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message
> news:G77JA4.7Mx@lugnet.com...
> > Mine are huge (12x16hundred) so will be a lot slower to view. I just
> > uploaded a big zip and it failed to work so I have to do it image by
> image.
>
> That would be your first clue that these images are *way* too big for most
> folks.
Since I haven't sat down and figured out how to automatically resize and
rename a bunch of pictures at once inside of the tool I use, the time to
reformat all of them wasn't available to me. So it came down to those or
none. I chose those rather than none.
Since you have thumbnails to choose from, you only pay the price for ones
you want to see. Since other people uploaded smaller ones, you don't have to
look at mine at all if large images get you all annoyed.
I could see a basis for your carping if I was the only source. But I wasn't.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains.org, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, John Matthews writes:
> > Larry Pieniazek <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message
> > > Mine are huge (12x16hundred) so will be a lot slower to view. I just
> > > uploaded a big zip and it failed to work so I have to do it image by
> > > image.
> > That would be your first clue that these images are *way* too big for most
> > folks.
>
> Since I haven't sat down and figured out how to automatically resize and
> rename a bunch of pictures at once inside of the tool I use, the time to
> reformat all of them wasn't available to me. So it came down to those or
> none. I chose those rather than none.
>
> Since you have thumbnails to choose from, you only pay the price for ones
> you want to see. Since other people uploaded smaller ones, you don't have to
> look at mine at all if large images get you all annoyed.
>
> I could see a basis for your carping if I was the only source. But I wasn't.
And in case it's not apparant, Lar - some folks appreciate your larger pics,
so please don't assume from the negative comments that its not worth the
effort - it is.
Thanks,
James
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In lugnet.trains.org, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, Larry Pieniazek writes:
<snip>
> We always have had layouts with lots of ramps and bridges.
Quite right - as you should. Are we the only two here (now that Matt
isn't around much) who think (of train layouts) in three dimensions? 8-)
> > We used three controllers per track circuit to lessen voltage drops.
> > One circuit had gaps, one didn't. The gapped one was easier to control
> > as you could more easily adjust speeds independently (it looks cool
> > to have the train crawl through the yard and speed up on the other
> > parts of the line)
I was planning to use multiple gapped controllers at Supertrain2001,
but hadn't thought of slowing down through the yard - good idea.
Any other advice on wiring (or other aspects)? It's going to change,
but currently this is my layout plan. (To give you an idea of the size.)
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=28383
SRC
StRuCtures
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In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, Kevin Loch writes:
> > In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> > > When i designed that on track designer i was going for the "city block"
> > > look.We were able to get a ton of plates(over 400) from TLC so i really
> >
> > It's good to see they helped out like that. Did that include road
> > plates and runway plates or just green 32x32's?
> 200 green 32x32's, 192 straight road, 26 T roads ,32 grey 48x48 and trees.
> ...So we ended up with 850 trees along with my own and Scotts.
Might I be able to borrow the trees (and any extra straights and
switches) for Supertrain2001 one month from (yesterday and) today?
SRC
StRuCtures
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In lugnet.trains.org, Steve Chapple writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes:
> > In lugnet.trains.org, Larry Pieniazek writes:
>
> <snip>
> > We always have had layouts with lots of ramps and bridges.
>
> Quite right - as you should. Are we the only two here (now that Matt
> isn't around much) who think (of train layouts) in three dimensions? 8-)
I think in 3 dimensions too but on a plywooder layout with no terrain, a
bunch of ramps and bridges tend to make things look more toylike unless
there is some clear justification for the bridges (to cross over another
line for a plausible reason)...
terrain makes much else more possible and realistic. But terrain costs a lot.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains.org, Steve Chapple writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> > In lugnet.trains.org, Kevin Loch writes:
> > > In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> > > > When i designed that on track designer i was going for the "city block"
> > > > look.We were able to get a ton of plates(over 400) from TLC so i really
> > >
> > > It's good to see they helped out like that. Did that include road
> > > plates and runway plates or just green 32x32's?
> > 200 green 32x32's, 192 straight road, 26 T roads ,32 grey 48x48 and trees.
> > ...So we ended up with 850 trees along with my own and Scotts.
>
> Might I be able to borrow the trees (and any extra straights and
> switches) for Supertrain2001 one month from (yesterday and) today?
Email and we will talk.CWLeach
> StRuCtures
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In lugnet.trains.org, Steve Chapple writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes:
> > We always have had layouts with lots of ramps and bridges.
>
> Quite right - as you should. Are we the only two here (now that Matt
> isn't around much) who think (of train layouts) in three dimensions? 8-)
I assure you, the GMLTC thinks in three dimensions. The layout we're
working on now will have trains running at least four different heights, and
maybe five if we can squeeze one more into the design...
We try to put "interesting" things at many different heights, because that
causes people to spend that much more time checking out our layout. And a
lot of times kids will notice stuff before their parents do, because we put
stuff down at their level.
JohnG, GMLTC
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In lugnet.trains.org, John Gerlach writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, Steve Chapple writes:
> > In lugnet.trains.org, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes:
> > > We always have had layouts with lots of ramps and bridges.
I thought there was rule that at some point on the layout the trains had to
cross over each other. ;-)
The layout we are working on has a climb into a mountain, where a ski resort
will be and three tunnels to provide transaction from scene to scene. A
little more work but I hope the results will justify it.
Have a look at the work so far, this is a work in process, and let me know
what you think. We have worked more on the mountain and I hope to get some
more pics up this weekend of the waterfall and tunnel.
Matthew Greene
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=2353
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In lugnet.trains.org, Steve Chapple writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes:
> > In lugnet.trains.org, Larry Pieniazek writes:
>
> <snip>
> > We always have had layouts with lots of ramps and bridges.
>
> Quite right - as you should. Are we the only two here (now that Matt
> isn't around much) who think (of train layouts) in three dimensions? 8-)
>
> > > We used three controllers per track circuit to lessen voltage drops.
> > > One circuit had gaps, one didn't. The gapped one was easier to control
> > > as you could more easily adjust speeds independently (it looks cool
> > > to have the train crawl through the yard and speed up on the other
> > > parts of the line)
>
> I was planning to use multiple gapped controllers at Supertrain2001,
> but hadn't thought of slowing down through the yard - good idea.
> Any other advice on wiring (or other aspects)? It's going to change,
> but currently this is my layout plan. (To give you an idea of the size.)
> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=28383
>
> SRC
> StRuCtures
A problem we encountered with wiring was wire length. Because we did not have
enough long (Mindstorms) wires we had to place controllers in inconvienent
places. If you are not a 100% purist you should consider making some long
exteneders. Some of the Mindstorms sights have information on making your own
connectors and the gauge of wire needed. Unfortunately this does involve two of
the three deadly sins (cutting, gluing and painting).
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In lugnet.trains.org, Steve Chapple writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> > In lugnet.trains.org, Kevin Loch writes:
> > > In lugnet.trains.org, Chris Leach writes:
> > > > When i designed that on track designer i was going for the "city block"
> > > > look.We were able to get a ton of plates(over 400) from TLC so i really
> > >
> > > It's good to see they helped out like that. Did that include road
> > > plates and runway plates or just green 32x32's?
> > 200 green 32x32's, 192 straight road, 26 T roads ,32 grey 48x48 and trees.
> > ...So we ended up with 850 trees along with my own and Scotts.
>
> Might I be able to borrow the trees (and any extra straights and
> switches) for Supertrain2001 one month from (yesterday and) today?
>
> SRC
> StRuCtures
Incedentially, we used some of the trees to stablize the plates. We placed
trees on the four corners junctions of four plates to lock them into position.
The plates were green and so were the tree bases. You might also want to dig up
som 2x2 green plates for the same purpose.
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> A problem we encountered with wiring was wire length. Because we did not have
> enough long (Mindstorms) wires we had to place controllers in inconvienent
> places. If you are not a 100% purist you should consider making some long
> exteneders. Some of the Mindstorms sights have information on making your own
> connectors and the gauge of wire needed. Unfortunately this does involve two of
> the three deadly sins (cutting, gluing and painting).
It involves cutting but no gluing or painting! How about soldering--is that
a fourth deadly sin, a subset of gluing (joining?), or is it just venial?
Peter
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In lugnet.trains.org, Peter Guenther writes:
> > Unfortunately this does involve two of the three deadly sins
> > (cutting, gluing and painting).
>
> It involves cutting but no gluing or painting! How about
> soldering--is that a fourth deadly sin, a subset of gluing
> (joining?), or is it just venial?
I'd say a subset of gluing, but what about the electrical tape... :-)
SRC
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In lugnet.trains.org, John Neal writes:
> On a related note: it
> seems to me that TLC used to make their dioramas out of bricks more than they
> do today. Now, it's mostly computerized backdrops. I always thought that it
> was due to cost considerations-- I never thought it might be because someone
> *preferred*
> it that way. I wonder how others feel? Others?
I assumed that TLC uses drawn/computerized backgrounds so that no one can
claim they are being misleading about the contents of the package. For
instance, on the 3225 Classic Train, they used drawn-in track instead of
real track, because there was none in the set.
Steve
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In lugnet.trains.org, Steve Bliss writes:
> In lugnet.trains.org, John Neal writes:
>
> > On a related note: it
> > seems to me that TLC used to make their dioramas out of bricks more than they
> > do today. Now, it's mostly computerized backdrops. I always thought that it
> > was due to cost considerations-- I never thought it might be because someone
> > *preferred*
> > it that way. I wonder how others feel? Others?
>
> I assumed that TLC uses drawn/computerized backgrounds so that no one can
> claim they are being misleading about the contents of the package. For
> instance, on the 3225 Classic Train, they used drawn-in track instead of
> real track, because there was none in the set.
Right. That drawn track (and glowing cave, etc) have been there since the
start of 9V.
Mayhaps J2 is referring to catalog illustrations, though?
PS, I heard I left my vitamins at Chris's, did you happen to get those? I
wouldn't want to have to eat spinach or anything.
++Lar
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In lugnet.trains.org, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> PS, I heard I left my vitamins at Chris's, did you happen to get those? I
> wouldn't want to have to eat spinach or anything.
Nope. I've got your track and Z'nap bridge, though.
Steve
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