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Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego
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Mon, 27 Nov 2000 17:03:04 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> Arguments are never won here Tom, they just end. Often weight of numbers,
> produces and end. However, just because a debate ends it does not follow
> that is has been won/lost.
Not admitting defeat doesn't mean a debate hasn't been lost (or won).
Sometimes the debate provokes further thought on the subject - and that's
the place that people change their minds. Admit it, how many of you are
second-guessing eating pigs? :-)
> I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the US
> membership of LUGNET does not represent a weighted cross section of the US
> public. In such an environment, how can all the perspectives be heard? It is
> left to a guy in Scotland to fight for a better education and health
> provision for you _all_ in the USA.
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> The fact is the LP did not win the last election. Around 0.20% (a
> guestimate) of your electorate voted for them. Of that meagre vote, I’d love
> to know how many were voting only for derestricting drug use or were protest
> voting. Personally, I think their level of support is surprising low as they
> are essentially standing on a single issue in a time where political apathy
> is widespread.
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> Scott A
You have to realize that many people won't vote for a smaller party because
the system pretty much freezes out smaller parties. You end up throwing
away your vote, or doing something counterproductive (vote for the more
liberal Nader rather than Gore and get rewarded with Bush for your efforts).
A party that can attract 20% of the vote is still likely to end up with zero
represenatives in government. Kinda frustrating. It's designed to produce
this kind of "safe" middle ground.
On the other hand, Libertarians have many interesting points, but don't seem
to be able to grow beyond white middle to upper-middle class males. And
their message has been out there a long time.
Bruce
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| (...) LP is a vote of principle, and it largely benefits from disillusionment with the political process – a belief that a win for Gore/Bush will result in same outcome for the USA. I'm willing to bet that a good deal of LP voters would rather not (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Arguments are never won here Tom, they just end. Often weight of numbers, produces and end. However, just because a debate ends it does not follow that is has been won/lost. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the US membership of LUGNET does (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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