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Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego
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Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:54:57 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
> I'm at the near point of avoiding this group altogether. I personally wish Scott
> and Larry would just killfile each other and be done with it.
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> While I side mostly with Larry, the way this "discussion" is being handled is
> useless and pointless. Larry will never get Scott to actually RESEARCH arguments
> previously beaten to death,
Arguments are never won here Tom, they just end. Often weight of numbers,
produces and end. However, just because a debate ends it does not follow
that is has been won/lost. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the US
membership of LUGNET does not represent a weighted cross section of the US
public. In such an environment, how can all the perspectives be heard? It is
left to a guy in Scotland to fight for a better education and health
provision for you _all_ in the USA.
The fact is the LP did not win the last election. Around 0.20% (a
guestimate) of your electorate voted for them. Of that meagre vote, I’d love
to know how many were voting only for derestricting drug use or were protest
voting. Personally, I think their level of support is surprising low as they
are essentially standing on a single issue in a time where political apathy
is widespread.
Scott A
> and Scott will never get Larry to spent countless hours
> tracking down background for each and every (geometrically growing) snipe.
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> I wish they would just ignore each other and get back to debating with OTHER
> people.
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> Christopher Weeks wrote:
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> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott and Larry write:
> >
> > > > > Go back. Read my posts. Answer my points.... as I have asked repeatedly.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, I am not going to answer each and every one of your snipes in detail.
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > > Pick one point, one thought, one item that you'd like to have a
> > > > debate about
> > >
> > > Nope. I've done it already... go back and read my posts.
> >
> > This is great!
> >
> > "You say something and I'll pay attention and we'll talk about it."
> > "No, you"
> > "No, you"
> > etc...
> >
> > The basic fact is that you're both right. Since I largely agree with Larry's
> > beliefs it makes if easier for me to empathize with his side, but he pretty
> > clearly does squirm instead of answering when it suits him. But Scott, for
> > _you_ of all people to call him on it is ridiculous.
> >
> > Since you both know that neither of you is willing to engage in productive
> > discourse (with each other, at least), why not just shut the heck up?
> >
> > Unless this is productive.
> >
> > As I see it, you both basically (and most of the rest of us for that matter)
> > spout our ideas and opinions that seem obviously true. (e.g. I am at a loss as
> > to how to show that centrally planned economy delivers worse and less efficient
> > services to the stakeholders than does a free market, because it is so
> > obvious.) So whether I'm telling John that he ought to lighten up on his kids,
> > or I'm telling Scott that government ought to lighten up on us, I am equally
> > certain, and in neither case will I make a dent. But we keep it up anyway.
> > Why?
> >
> > And why does the bickering between Scott the mindless liberal and Larry the
> > mindless libertarian seem different than the rest of this possibly pointless
> > discussion? Maybe because we generally refrain from personal attacks and this
> > pair seems to be edging in that direction? I'm really not sure.
> >
> > But at least I got to blabber,
> >
> > Chris
>
> --
> Tom Stangl
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| (...) I (mostly) disagree. Of course part of my agreement is that in a way you are right, very few arguments are ever "won". But this group can and has been the catalyst for changes in opinion. I have certainly changed my opinions (and you can go (...) (26 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Not admitting defeat doesn't mean a debate hasn't been lost (or won). Sometimes the debate provokes further thought on the subject - and that's the place that people change their minds. Admit it, how many of you are second-guessing eating (...) (26 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| I'm at the near point of avoiding this group altogether. I personally wish Scott and Larry would just killfile each other and be done with it. While I side mostly with Larry, the way this "discussion" is being handled is useless and pointless. Larry (...) (26 years ago, 26-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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