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Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:08:11 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
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> > Arguments are never won here Tom, they just end. Often weight of numbers,
> > produces and end. However, just because a debate ends it does not follow
> > that is has been won/lost.
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> Not admitting defeat doesn't mean a debate hasn't been lost (or won).
> Sometimes the debate provokes further thought on the subject - and that's
> the place that people change their minds. Admit it, how many of you are
> second-guessing eating pigs? :-)
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> > I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the US
> > membership of LUGNET does not represent a weighted cross section of the US
> > public. In such an environment, how can all the perspectives be heard? It is
> > left to a guy in Scotland to fight for a better education and health
> > provision for you _all_ in the USA.
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> > The fact is the LP did not win the last election. Around 0.20% (a
> > guestimate) of your electorate voted for them. Of that meagre vote, I’d love
> > to know how many were voting only for derestricting drug use or were protest
> > voting. Personally, I think their level of support is surprising low as they
> > are essentially standing on a single issue in a time where political apathy
> > is widespread.
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> > Scott A
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> You have to realize that many people won't vote for a smaller party because
> the system pretty much freezes out smaller parties. You end up throwing
> away your vote, or doing something counterproductive (vote for the more
> liberal Nader rather than Gore and get rewarded with Bush for your efforts).
> A party that can attract 20% of the vote is still likely to end up with zero
> represenatives in government. Kinda frustrating. It's designed to produce
> this kind of "safe" middle ground.
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> On the other hand, Libertarians have many interesting points, but don't seem
> to be able to grow beyond white middle to upper-middle class males. And
> their message has been out there a long time.
LP is a vote of principle, and it largely benefits from disillusionment with
the political process – a belief that a win for Gore/Bush will result in
same outcome for the USA. I'm willing to bet that a good deal of LP voters
would rather not vote, than vote Gore/Bush... but that is just a gut feeling.
Scott A
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> Bruce
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| (...) Not admitting defeat doesn't mean a debate hasn't been lost (or won). Sometimes the debate provokes further thought on the subject - and that's the place that people change their minds. Admit it, how many of you are second-guessing eating (...) (26 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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