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Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego
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Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:13:04 GMT
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Scott A wrote:
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> "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message
> > He's not the pope. The pope makes pronouncements that everyone has to • accept
> > uncritically.
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> Everyone? Really?
According to my understanding of Catholic doctrine yes, or effectively
yes. If a Catholic wishes to refute this, I'd welcome a response. My
understanding of Catholicism includes the following points:
1. The pope is the leader of the Catholic faith, no human is above the
pope (1)
2. As far as I understand, Catholic faith holds that only people who
accept the Catholic bent of Christianity are truly saved (go to heaven)
(2)
3. As I understand it, the ultimate purpose of humans is to attain
salvation/heaven (3)
Taken as a whole, and cutting to the core of what the above statements
mean, the pope is the ultimate human authority (5).
(1) Of course the pope is chosen by a group of people (Archbishops? I
don't recall which group). I'm not sure what power they have to force
the pope to step down (I assume they do have some).
(2) Of course, of late, the Catholic church has reduced the extent to
which it pushes this point, but I don't think doctrine has truly changed
on this point.
(3) Cutting to the core of (most (4)) Christian doctrine.
(4) At a minimum, Unitarian Universalist Christians do not hold this
view, but if course in the view of "most" Christians, UUs couldn't
possibly be true Christians.
(5) Of course, a critical examination of base principles shows so many
contradictions to (most (6)) religious doctrine that it is only possible
to hold (most) Christian belief by faith alone.
(6) Again, Unitarian Universalists (at least modern ones), base their
principles on the same core prinicples of Libertarianism, and hold that
critical examination is the only way to arrive at truth. I don't think
UUs are alone in this (but are almost alone amongst faiths descended
from the early Christian faith). I think that close examination of
Budhist belief would find the same basis in a core set of beliefs with
critical thinking used to evaluate those beliefs (and I wouldn't be
surprised if when one drilled down to the core beliefs, one would
ultimately find the same core principles shared by UUs and Libertarians
- and I wouldn't be surprised if a "perfect world" derrived from UU,
Libertarian, or Budhist principles would ultimately look the same [of
course a "perfect" Christian world would also probably look the same
(7), so the question becomes not so much one of what does your perfect
world look like, but one of how does your system deal with imperfection,
and what path does it suggest to get closer to that perfection]).
(7) With little niggling differences on what is the guarantor of that
perfection. Christianity would hold that the guarantor is God.
Libertartianism would hold that the guarantor is the laws of physics.
--
Frank Filz
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| "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G4JFsK.53n@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) consent (...) Well, here in the UK, I can go round and see my MP this weekend if I wish. I can tell her just what I think, and expect her to (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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