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Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego
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Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:31:04 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes:
> Scott A wrote:
> >
> > "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message
> > > He's not the pope. The pope makes pronouncements that everyone has to • accept
> > > uncritically.
> >
> > Everyone? Really?
>
> According to my understanding of Catholic doctrine yes, or effectively
> yes. If a Catholic wishes to refute this, I'd welcome a response. My
> understanding of Catholicism includes the following points:
Every catholic - perhaps.
Scott A
>
> 1. The pope is the leader of the Catholic faith, no human is above the
> pope (1)
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> 2. As far as I understand, Catholic faith holds that only people who
> accept the Catholic bent of Christianity are truly saved (go to heaven)
> (2)
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> 3. As I understand it, the ultimate purpose of humans is to attain
> salvation/heaven (3)
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> Taken as a whole, and cutting to the core of what the above statements
> mean, the pope is the ultimate human authority (5).
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> (1) Of course the pope is chosen by a group of people (Archbishops? I
> don't recall which group). I'm not sure what power they have to force
> the pope to step down (I assume they do have some).
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> (2) Of course, of late, the Catholic church has reduced the extent to
> which it pushes this point, but I don't think doctrine has truly changed
> on this point.
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> (3) Cutting to the core of (most (4)) Christian doctrine.
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> (4) At a minimum, Unitarian Universalist Christians do not hold this
> view, but if course in the view of "most" Christians, UUs couldn't
> possibly be true Christians.
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> (5) Of course, a critical examination of base principles shows so many
> contradictions to (most (6)) religious doctrine that it is only possible
> to hold (most) Christian belief by faith alone.
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> (6) Again, Unitarian Universalists (at least modern ones), base their
> principles on the same core prinicples of Libertarianism, and hold that
> critical examination is the only way to arrive at truth. I don't think
> UUs are alone in this (but are almost alone amongst faiths descended
> from the early Christian faith). I think that close examination of
> Budhist belief would find the same basis in a core set of beliefs with
> critical thinking used to evaluate those beliefs (and I wouldn't be
> surprised if when one drilled down to the core beliefs, one would
> ultimately find the same core principles shared by UUs and Libertarians
> - and I wouldn't be surprised if a "perfect world" derrived from UU,
> Libertarian, or Budhist principles would ultimately look the same [of
> course a "perfect" Christian world would also probably look the same
> (7), so the question becomes not so much one of what does your perfect
> world look like, but one of how does your system deal with imperfection,
> and what path does it suggest to get closer to that perfection]).
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> (7) With little niggling differences on what is the guarantor of that
> perfection. Christianity would hold that the guarantor is God.
> Libertartianism would hold that the guarantor is the laws of physics.
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