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Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego
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Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:58:12 GMT
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I'm at the near point of avoiding this group altogether. I personally wish Scott
and Larry would just killfile each other and be done with it.
While I side mostly with Larry, the way this "discussion" is being handled is
useless and pointless. Larry will never get Scott to actually RESEARCH arguments
previously beaten to death, and Scott will never get Larry to spent countless hours
tracking down background for each and every (geometrically growing) snipe.
I wish they would just ignore each other and get back to debating with OTHER
people.
Christopher Weeks wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott and Larry write:
>
> > > > Go back. Read my posts. Answer my points.... as I have asked repeatedly.
> > >
> > > Sorry, I am not going to answer each and every one of your snipes in detail.
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> [snip]
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> > > Pick one point, one thought, one item that you'd like to have a
> > > debate about
> >
> > Nope. I've done it already... go back and read my posts.
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> This is great!
>
> "You say something and I'll pay attention and we'll talk about it."
> "No, you"
> "No, you"
> etc...
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> The basic fact is that you're both right. Since I largely agree with Larry's
> beliefs it makes if easier for me to empathize with his side, but he pretty
> clearly does squirm instead of answering when it suits him. But Scott, for
> _you_ of all people to call him on it is ridiculous.
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> Since you both know that neither of you is willing to engage in productive
> discourse (with each other, at least), why not just shut the heck up?
>
> Unless this is productive.
>
> As I see it, you both basically (and most of the rest of us for that matter)
> spout our ideas and opinions that seem obviously true. (e.g. I am at a loss as
> to how to show that centrally planned economy delivers worse and less efficient
> services to the stakeholders than does a free market, because it is so
> obvious.) So whether I'm telling John that he ought to lighten up on his kids,
> or I'm telling Scott that government ought to lighten up on us, I am equally
> certain, and in neither case will I make a dent. But we keep it up anyway.
> Why?
>
> And why does the bickering between Scott the mindless liberal and Larry the
> mindless libertarian seem different than the rest of this possibly pointless
> discussion? Maybe because we generally refrain from personal attacks and this
> pair seems to be edging in that direction? I'm really not sure.
>
> But at least I got to blabber,
>
> Chris
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 | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego
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| (...) Arguments are never won here Tom, they just end. Often weight of numbers, produces and end. However, just because a debate ends it does not follow that is has been won/lost. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the US membership of LUGNET does (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego
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| (...) Web interface doesn't support it so I have to manually ignore... :-) Dunno what Scott's reasoning is. (...) This is an excellent summation. He won't do research, I won't do it for him, he won't stop sniping, and I will not answer every snipe. (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott and Larry write: (...) [snip] (...) This is great! "You say something and I'll pay attention and we'll talk about it." "No, you" "No, you" etc... The basic fact is that you're both right. Since I largely agree with (...) (24 years ago, 26-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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