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Re: Help me with the math
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Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:41:43 GMT
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Do you feel that the Dubya administration should face no accountability for
its ineptitude?
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I honestly believe that, given more time, SH would have assisted terrorists
to unleash a WMD on US soil.
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That’s nice, but I notice that you didn’t answer my question. Should anyone in
the Dubya adminstration be held accountable for inciting a war based on false
and/or culpably erroneous information?
And in any case, your honest belief is irrelevant, as is Dubya’s. “Belief”
simply isn’t sufficient justification to murder 1,000 soldiers and ~12,000
Iraqis. Let’s say that I honestly believe that the guy in the cube across from
me will kill me tomorrow unless I kill him today--am I therefore justified in
murdering him pre-emptively?
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Why are we still meeting resistance in Iraq?
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Because we’ve killed thousands of civilians and because we’re perceived as an
occupying, anti-Islamic military force.
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You couldn’t be more wrong. That is not the perception of the overwhelming
majority of Iraqis about our presence there. You have been deceived by biased
and unconscionable media reports.
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Are you kidding? You yourself asked why the US military is meeting resistance,
and I answered that the resistance is in response to the thousands of murders
that the US military has committed. What reason do you propose as an
alternative? Do the fighters in Iraq strike against US targets because those
fighters hate my freedom?
And anyway, most polls I’ve read show that an overwhelming majority of Iraqis
consider the US military to be an unwelcome occupying force, and a similar
majority flatly disapproves of the US presence there. I’ll provide a citation
once you have provided yours.
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In the unlikiely event that the Iraqis actually gain freedom as well, then
so much the better. But their “freedom” is hardly the reason that the US
invaded, and it’s hardly the reason that the US is still there.
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Well I strongly disagree. We are only establishing a strong military presence
there until Iraq can do that herself. Then we won’t be needed. Do you
disagree that we’d leave tomorrow if a free Iraq had the ability to defend
herself against insurgents?
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Absolutely I disagree. The US is in the process of building the largest US
embassy in the world in Iraq. Do you suggest that the US will abandon this huge
embassy once the insurgents have been quelled?
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We attacked to remove SH’s regime-- that regime is history! So why is there
still fighting? Because of Islamic Fascists who don’t want Freedom! They want
pukes like SH in power around the world who are sympathetic to their cause
who will assist them in their fight against the West.
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If we finally succeed in forcing the Iraqi citizens to accept the US brand of
freedom, and if the Iraqis freely choose to install a brutal, fundamentalist
dictator who hates the West, will we honor their choice?
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First, it mostly certainly won’t be our “brand of freedom”. They will create
their own. Your second point is moot, because it is patently ridiculous and
borderline racist.
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I’m calling you out--explain to me exactly why the second point is moot, how it
is ridiculous, and why it is racist. If you will not do this, I must require you
to withdraw this objection.
Dave!
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Message has 1 Reply:
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| (...) I believe that military intervention was warranted, given Rez 1441 and SH's complete and incomprehensible stupidity about not coming clean WRT WMDs. If you are searching for a smoking idiot, surely it is he! (...) Hmmm. What is your evidence? (...) (20 years ago, 10-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) OBL is a religious fanatic, not a political one. He doesn't even represent a sovereign nation. (...) That is exactly what I will tell you. I know that "far more complex" reasons sounds appealing, but honestly, what are they??? He doesn't even (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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