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Re: Help me with the math
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Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:28:41 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks wrote:
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John, if this cause justifies the loss in human life, how much more loss
would it justify? What if our best guess based on well-rounded
intelligence suggested that the only way to have a serious chance of
ridding the world of this vermin was to committ to an Islamic genocide
(Theocide?)? Would you authorize that?
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Chris, your hypothetical is so proposterous that is doesn’t merit a
response.
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John Neal -- King of the dodge! He’s here all week folks, try the veal.
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What? You think you’ve trapped me with your idiotic scenario??? LOL
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Just in case, and more, for other readers, I’ll give it one more shot:
Let us imagine for a moment that we came (through whatever means) to believe
that Islam had a much greater propensity for the production of militant
radicals and that while most muslims were not a problem, the existence of
Islam would continue to spawn out groups hostile to our security. (Note,
their reasons don’t matter for the sake of this hypothetical.)
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Imagine? It’s already true. But your ridiculous conclusion that the answer to
preventing it is to slaughter all Muslims is outrageous!
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Now, John previously asserted that the 14000 deaths (or whatever the number
is) that this war has caused is a worthy investment in our security needs
because of the threat to the US that Iraq posed. So...if we take these two
elements together, I am asking how high the death toll can go before you
think that maybe the solution is worse than the problem.
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And thus your little science experiment of a hypothetical is stupid. The two
are like water and vinager-- they don’t mix and are unrelated.
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As an extreme exploration of this notion, I want to know if John believes
that the elimination of Islam, if that were required -- not that I think it
is, would be justified.
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Okay, Chris, here’s your answer: UNEQUIVOCABLY NO, NEVER, NOT IN A MILLION
YEARS, N-O SPELLS “NO”, NO
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And something that just occurred to me that might make this easier is to
present my views. But first, John, please don’t respond to this part of the
post yet, if you’re going to respond at all. I fear dilution of the point.
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Oops. Sorry.
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Given my hypothetical, I absolutely think that the murder of millions and
millions of innocents is worth our security.
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Killing yes. Murder no. We don’t intentionally murder innocent people. We try
to avoid that at all costs-- even at the expense of our own soldiers. It is our
enemy who cowardly targets innocent civilians. Any equivocation is
outrageous. You are failing to realize the difference. And it makes all the
difference in the world.
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There is no question in my
mind. If that’s how the world works, then it is unfortunate that those
innocents must pay in that way, but not as unfortunate as it would be to
allow constant predation on our selves. However, in reality, I think that as
a result of our actions in Iraq, we are less safe than we were before.
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If we hadn’t acted in Afganistan and in Iraq, do you think that OBL would have
waited 3+ years to attack us again? I believe he hasn’t because he can’t, not
for lack of wanting.
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I was
against going to wage war on Iraq. Then I was against pulling out
prematurely. Now I think we should just get out post haste and let the
vaccuum suck. Maybe Europe can help them better than we have.
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Nope. We did that to South Vietnam, and it was an unmitigated disaster (thanks
in large part to the efforts of JFK) Splitting isn’t the answer. What we did
in Germany is the answer. Seeing this through. Yes, many Americans will die as
a result of this. But many more could easily die in another terrorist attack on
our soil. Our military is doing its job-- defending you and me and our way of
life.
JOHN
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| (...) I don't think it's possible to trap you. I'm not even sure I know what you mean. (...) Seriously? (...) I appreciate the compliment. (...) OK, now here's what I don't get. Before you said it was beneath you to answer. What gives? (...) Somehow (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) John Neal -- King of the dodge! He's here all week folks, try the veal. Just in case, and more, for other readers, I'll give it one more shot: Let us imagine for a moment that we came (through whatever means) to believe that Islam had a much (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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