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Re: Help me with the math
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Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:08:35 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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Did FDR initiate an unprovoked attack upon a sovereign nation?
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Did the Nazis ever attack US soil?
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Unless you mean Prescott Bush begetting George HW Bush begetting George W Bush,
then I don’t think that Nazis did attack US soil. However, they invaded and
attacked numerous allies of the US, did they not? Did Iraq likewise engage in
invasion or attack against the US or its allies? Remember, of course, the shots
fired in the “no-fly” zones don’t count.
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which itself came on the heels of imperialist efforts to usurp the natural
resources of the US?
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Can’t parse. “For” the US perhaps?
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Awkward phrasing, but I really did mean “of” instead of “for.” Try it this way:
“Did FDR attack a sovereign nation because that nation (and its allies) imposed
decades of imperialist intercession in the US, including the usurpation (by that
sovereign nation and its allies) of the the natural resources of the US?”
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--the justification for FDR’s actions
differed mightily from OBL’s.
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Of course! There was no justification for OBL’s action!
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I agree that the attack against civilians was unjustified, and strong military
response was justified (though the routing of the Taliban was fleeting, at
best.)
But please don’t tell me that you think OBL attacked the WTC just because he
“hates our Freedom” or “despises our Western values.” Surely you’re aware that
the reasons for the attack were far more complex and deep-seated than the simple
black/white that Dubya likes to put forth.
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GWB’s choice to invade and bomb a sovereign
nation that hadn’t attacked the US or its allies more closely resembles
OBL’s choice to bomb the WTC than it resembles FDR’s decision to enter WWII.
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How outrageous! Bush’s intervention in Iraq was all about deposing SH’s
cruel and dangerous regime-- nothing more!
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According to which speech du jour? The justification for deposing Saddam’s
regime was because he posed an “imminent threat” to the US and because we knew
for certain that he had WMD. Both of these are false, or at the very lease
hopelessly incorrect.
Do you feel that the Dubya administration should face no accountability for its
ineptitude?
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Why are we still meeting
resistance in Iraq?
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Because we’ve killed thousands of civilians and because we’re perceived as an
occupying, anti-Islamic military force.
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All we want to do is help the Iraqis set up a government
that insures freedom for her people and leave! What is wrong with that????
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If that were truly the goal, then I would be more favorably disposed to it. The
goal is actually to establish a strong US military presence in the region and to
secure oil reserves for US interests. In the unlikiely event that the Iraqis
actually gain freedom as well, then so much the better. But their “freedom” is
hardly the reason that the US invaded, and it’s hardly the reason that the US is
still there.
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We attacked to remove SH’s regime-- that regime is history! So why is
there still fighting? Because of Islamic Fascists who don’t want Freedom!
They want pukes like SH in power around the world who are sympathetic to
their cause who will assist them in their fight against the West.
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If we finally succeed in forcing the Iraqi citizens to accept the US brand of
freedom, and if the Iraqis freely choose to install a brutal, fundamentalist
dictator who hates the West, will we honor their choice?
I’m sorry, there’s a smudge on my monitor. It looked like you typed “Bush is
brilliant” there for a second.
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Why must we wait for a nuclear bomb to be denotated on
our soil before everyone gets the message??? The only way to stop these
wackjobs is for all nations to unite to purge them from their respective
soils.
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“Kill them all; God will recognize his own”, right? If this is truly your
attitude, then you are as much a dangerous, fundamentalist wackjob as the
despots you decry.
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Then we can go about the
business of hunting them down one by one and exterminating them like the
vermin they are.
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Chris raised a great point: if we can only secure your vision of security by
exterminating all Muslims, do you advocate this course?
Dave!
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| (...) OBL is a religious fanatic, not a political one. He doesn't even represent a sovereign nation. (...) That is exactly what I will tell you. I know that "far more complex" reasons sounds appealing, but honestly, what are they??? He doesn't even (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Did the Nazis ever attack US soil? (...) What about the aftermath of WWI in terms of policies towards Germany as an major instigator of WWII? (...) Can't parse. "For" the US perhaps? (...) lol seems like that we exactly what you were driving (...) (20 years ago, 8-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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