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Re: Help me with the math
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Thu, 9 Sep 2004 04:31:38 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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(snippage)
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How outrageous! Bush’s intervention in Iraq was all about deposing SH’s
cruel and dangerous regime-- nothing more!
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You keep piping up with tha line. Bush’s invasion was about stopping Saddam
from immenent use of “WoMD” - nothing more. It was not about deposing Saddam
because he was cruel - that’s a retroactive argument used because the real
argument for war turned out to be a load of hooey.
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Please. SH was always a threat to stability in that region-- the first Gulf
War was ample proof of that. Again, intelligence was bad WRT WMD but frankly,
in a scenario like that it is in our best interests to err on the side of
caution. Anyway, why ride Bush for wanting to depose a cruel despot on those
grounds anyway? Were you in favor of Clinton intervening in Kosovo?:
http://www.members.tripod.com/kosovo99/clinton3.htm
These situations seem very similar to me, except that our national interests
were served by intervening in Iraq (if not for security from WMDs, for insuring
free oil flow from Iraq).
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Why are we still meeting
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resistance in Iraq? All we want to do is help the Iraqis set up a
government that insures freedom for her people and leave! What is wrong
with that????
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One, that may not be all Bush and Cheney are attempting to do.
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And it may be. Your hatred of Bush won’t let you consider this possibility.
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Two, Bush is
on shakey ground with his “free the Iraqi people” tack: it means that he has
removed his own moral mandate to stay there beyond a bare minimum of time.
The Iraqi people get to decide their own fate, and that may well be an
Islamic fundamentalist government. If the Iraqis want us out, what is wrong
with that? These are all scenarios that the Bush adminstration should have
considered more closely, and it is pretty darn clear they didn’t.
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What you are failing to realize is that the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are
thankful for our intervention-- the resistance certainly does not represent the
will of the people of Iraq! This is the impression we get from biased news
stories that only focus on the actions of a few thousand (among millions) who
don’t want freedom in Iraq (many of whom not even being Iraqis!)
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We attacked to remove SH’s regime-- that regime is history! So why is
there still fighting? Because of Islamic Fascists who don’t want Freedom!
They want pukes like SH in power around the world who are sympathetic to
their cause who will assist them in their fight against the West.
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Saddam stepped on them in Iraq - he didn’t want rival power structures, and
that’s exactly what the fundamentalists were. Removing Saddam removed their
natural predator.
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We will suppress them until a free Iraq is able to defend herself on her own.
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Bush is brilliant for taking this fight to Islamo-Fascists now before the
stakes got too high. Why must we wait for a nuclear bomb to be denotated on
our soil before everyone gets the message??? The only way to stop these
wackjobs is for all nations to unite to purge them from their respective
soils. Some need assistance to do so, but it is imperative that these
scumbags find no place to hide and organize! Then we can go about the
business of hunting them down one by one and exterminating them like the
vermin they are.
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Brilliant for sitting on his hands while the terrorists blew up the World
Trade Center?
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Are we talking about Clinton or Bush here? ;-)
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He didn’t have an ounce of forethought on that,
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Not sure what you mean here. I thought everyone agreed that swift
intervention in Afganistan was precisely the correct and immediate response.
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just like he
didn’t have an ounce of forethought about how to handle Iraq once Saddam was
booted.
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Please cite for me one article where someone predicted the outcome of SH’s
deposition.
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Brilliant for not hunting down the one scumbag he had a world mandate
to hunt down?
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Please. Are you implying that every possible effort isn’t still being made to
find and capture OBL?
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Bush is an idiot. He is reactive and not proactive.
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Not at all. Our intervention in Iraq was clearly proactive!
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Are we
going to get world help after crying “wolf!” over non-existent WoMD? No.
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Don’t be so sure. Wait until the Islamo-fascists start attacking them
(Beslan???). And watch out. Don’t be surprised if Russia starts shaking things
up in
Pakistan!
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Brilliant? Hardly - he’s an idiot.
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I believe that that kind of knee-jerk epithet is beneath you, -->Bruce<--!
But seriously, let’s face it-- the real idiots are the Islamo-fascists
themselves. To believe that God would be pleased when they slaughter innocent
women and children for any cause and that such cowardly acts will somehow
bring about their goals is mindbogglingly stoopid.
JOHN
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| (...) That has absolutely nothing to do with the point. Bush sold the war on the basis of "WoMD" (Weapons of Mass Destruction for anyone wandering by) and when Bush couldn't find any, he came up with the "bad man" excuse. Bait and switch. (...) That (...) (20 years ago, 9-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) I think they lobbed a few petulant shells from U-Boats at us, but it is immaterial whether they actually attacked U.S. soil: they declared war on us a few days after the Pearl Harbor attack. (...) You keep piping up with tha line. Bush's (...) (20 years ago, 8-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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