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(...) Congratulations people! I donated to Red Cross, which doesn't look like it's part of this organisation, but the more the better! However I think it's a bit of a leap to imply this proves Big bad greedy US capitalists are *not* exploiting the (...) (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I'm not sure where you're going with this, Larry. The Israelis have done the exact same things to foreign journalists, you know that. Even America has censored journalists, such as those covering American sponsored massacres in Central (...) (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. (...) follow. Something else entirely. We don't know what they actually did. Did they attack them with weapons? Unlikely. One report I heard said they used cushions to shield themselves while charging the hijackers. Maybe some of them (...) (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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NOT. (URL) one here really has remarked on this much, but Yahoo and Amazon are powering the donation machines behind the icons that a lot of sites (including the ones I control) are displaying. This org was mentioned in the President's speech just (...) (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For a while, anyway. Until the "general militia" gets apathetic again (which may take many years). (...) we (...) 7,000 (...) By all reports, the decision made by the passengers of flight 93 was only made after they found out there were more (...) (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Care to elaborate on that? Are you saying that they didn't attack the attackers, or are you saying that to do so is a pacifistic act, or something else entirely? I'm not sure I follow. Thanks. (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You don't know whether they were or not. (...) I'd also like to support that, but I don't think your politicians would take much notice of me 8?( ROSCO (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is exactly why we will never see this particular form of attack again. Prior to this attack Pilots and crew had been taught that in a hijacking situation the best way to insure their own safty and the safty of the passangers was to do as (...) (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Horst Lehner writes: [snipped] Horst, I also need to spend some more time reading this. I think this is the kind of review / opinion that politicians[1] need to read, maybe you should consider sending a copy to your (...) (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Flight 93. Thank *all that is worth living for* that the heroes on board that flight *weren't* pacifists. Would any of us have had the courage to do what they did, knowing that it meant almost certain death, in order to save the country from a (...) (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This one got me crying pretty bad. You've been warned. (URL) reading though. (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This one is easy... First you have the origional WTC Bombing (not directly tied to bin Laden). Second you have the two bombings at the US embassies in Africa (tied to bin Laden) Third you have the attack on the USS Cole (also tied to bin (...) (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This seems to have sort of slipped away from discussion... (URL) wonder if Scott A. or Daniel J. might be able to debunk this for me? (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You don't gotta beg. No one else does. :-) (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | The *militia* saved flight 93 from a worse fate...
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Here is an op-ed sure to make some folks foam... (URL) not me... This writer *gets* what the militia is. (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Eric, (...) So do I. BTW, I think I understand at least part of the emotionality of the issue, but we simply cannot afford to let our action be guided by it, so here goes my response: (...) And your evidence for that is ... ? (...) Nobody (...) (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello Larry ... (...) ... and I guess also not because I beg to differ with your view at times ... ;-) Greetings Horst (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know I do! But it's probably best not to get me started. I would leave this particular case alone anyway because it IS possible that Richard actually WAS rolling on whatever he was rolling on LOL-- I suppose grown men have done stranger (...) (23 years ago, 21-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Horst Lehner writes: <snip> Wow! Now THAT is what I call a reasoned and thoughtful post. I have to spend some time re-reading it, but thank you very much! It is always great to see someone who is "not one of the usual (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What's to take issue with? It's a logical extension of current trends. Exaggerated for effect, perhaps, but no biggie... (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello everybody, after my first, spontaneous posting I realized that a lot of discussion was already going on. I decided it would be a good idea to read through some of it, before I post again myself. In a sense, this posting is an answer to many (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, yes. Since this is named in the string (how DO they choose these names anyway??) that also included "infinite reach", the 98 cruise missile Afghan extravaganza, which by the way showed that our reach is pityingly finite, I find it quite (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Jerry Falwell blames feminists, gays, lesbians, ACLU, others...
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Hello Asher, hello everybody, (...) I can see that even in the US, the term Christianity is not a registered trademark, so you can't sue him for tradmark infringement. But ... maybe you have too free a country if you can't put him to court for other (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Tale of bravery from fourth plane
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(...) Hm... to a certain extent, this is interesting, but academic... A link not too far away from ones posted here(1), analysing Bush compared to Churchill talked about Churchills brutal honesty, but then discussed how Churchill did not feel the (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Quotes from The Register
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Two interesting articles I dragged up. Good old Reg: (2 URLs) I've commented before that I think this military operation could go disastrously wrong. I'm not offering these as 'evidence', just as interesting editorial. Discuss if you will. Jason J (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I use it in exchange for words like "actually", which is supposed to be a usage problem. But what is one to do? That's the colloquial usage of the word... On a more serious note, is no one going to take issue with what I have proffered (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I suppose "Operation Give Peace A Chance" would be more to your liking? Of course the designation is hyperbolic, and of course it's over-the-top, and of course it's propaganda-ish. That's the whole point of giving the operation a designation. (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry--your knowledge of scripture is more complete than mine. I'll need to re-check my sources. (...) That's not a bad point, but it is a fundamental sticking point for some people. The notion that the OT was a book predicting Christ's (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Bill Farkas" <wolfe65@msn.com> wrote in message news:GJy3I8.1C4@lugnet.com... (...) Rumours still persist that the fourth plane might have been shot down This from todays Independent, a quality UK broadsheet. (URL) to the report, the US government (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A bullet through every green turban you see. (Or whatever.) I'm not advocating this action, merely answering the question. Chris (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Now, see... this is the kind of stuff that I shouldn't be reading, mostly because it makes sense. Ignorance is strength... this is excatly what my current pastor has been preaching lately, not in those terms of course. Oh, well, what can be done? I (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To be more precise, evolution is a fact, just as gravity is a fact. The Darwinian model of natural selection is an evolutionary theory--that is, a theory that hopes to explain the process by which the fact of evolution occurs. (...) But no one (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Todd graduated from Wheaton College, which is literally a few blocks down the road from me. He also attended Wheaton Academy, my high school. (www.wheatonacademy.org) The website has a picture of him and a paragraph as well. At Gordon College last (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Akin" in what sense? That they are fundamentalist Muslims? That they abuse human rights? (...) Hard yes, impossible no. Ending Soviet communism was hard. Ending apartheid was hard. (...) Perhaps policy is a better word; a liberal policy (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Building speculation (was: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) I'd say they're all wet. A building of that form factor and height HAD to be at least as much steel as it was. Increasing the concrete ratio would mean the building would not be able to hold up its own weight. This general theory has been (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Info about the towers and their architect
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(...) Indeed. They made me cry again. I've been crying a lot lately. Thanks for that excellent reference, Eric. (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I was listening to the radio tonight and heard Joe Stowell, president of Moody Bible Institute in Chicago, speaking about a young man who was a college classmate of his daughter and son-in-law. His name was Todd Beamer, he was one of the passengers (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) The "fact" side of this argument is based on Biblical "fact", but it requires "faith" to trust that what is in the Bible is indeed "fact". I suppose I can condede your point. (...) I can think of only two miracles that were not personally (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Origins Debate
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(...) That's exactly what I meant. It wasn't an argument; I was just restating the fact that evolution is, indeed, a theory. (...) I wasn't claiming that it necessarily would. I was merely guarding against the possibility of anyone claiming it as (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Building speculation (was: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) concrete (...) The suggestion was not that the concrete would've survived the fire, but less of the building would've been directly involved in the fire, and maybe that little bit extra surviving support may have stopped the catastrophic (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer
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(...) ROSCO more concrete would have not made a difference.The building withstood the impacts.The fuel melted both the steel and concrete at the point of impact which caused the floors weight above them to collapse the rest of the structure. Mafia? (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer
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(...) week... (...) Someone on a local Australian show last night brought up the notion that US buildings (including WTC) using more steel[1] may have been a factor in the collapse. I figure things got pretty hot there for a little while, so (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Infinite Justice
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Infinite Justice. Has anyone noticed the peculiar nature of those words? It sounds very like what was imagined as a perpetual war in the essay within a novel, "The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism" by Emmanual Goldstein that resides (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: A couple more articles on the civil liberties angle
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(...) could have been obtained by the now highly desired relaxing of individual rights of privacy. I guess following up on 6 years old intelligence leads from the Phillipines would have been too easy? This article also contains the following (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) Sorry, just saw this, can't say my attention was focused on LUGNET last week... The architect of the twin towers was Minoru Yamasaki. You can read more about him and the Twin Towers here... (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer
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(...) It would be *extremely* difficult to crash a 767 travelling at 500km/h at the lower 20 floors of any building in such a city. That is possibly part of the reason they chose the WTC towers - they were so much higher than surrounding buildings. (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | A request for peace.
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Today, I emailed the following letter to the president, hoping he would listen. -Alfred -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 September 19, 2001 Alfred J. Speredelozzi, Jr. 2670 Fenwick Court Ann Arbor, MI 48104 The Honorable George W. Bush (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate) !
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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Okay, I'm going to jump onto this one just this once... (...) No God in there if you're not a religious person. (...) And all good religious people know this and STILL need this tragical event to wake them up? (...) Whe quoting the bible, everyone (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer
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(...) Also, what would have been the outcome had the terrorists targeted the base of the buildings? Had the collisions occurred in the lower 20 floors, most folks would have been trapped inside, and toppling may have occurred. (...) Indeed. -Rob. (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) Let's be honest about this--it's *entirely* based on faith, and not at all on fact. And that's where the issue ends, for many people. (...) Yes and no. They are capable of presenting a faithful account of their own recollections and of their (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The big lie
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(...) I find a quote of Benjamin Franklin's expresses my views on the subject. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." It's a bit harsh, but I agree with it, and with Larry, (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Thinking Out Loud...
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<snip> (...) But the Taliban are akin to the terrorists. It is just coincidence that they also happen to rule Afghanistan. (...) In Afghanistan, going against the government gets you dead. Pretty hard to go against that. (...) Who's plan? the (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Taliban... some things to mull over
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Oh boy! Someone asked for a nitpicker. Here I am! I'd so hate to disappoint. <geek> (...) In the case of Arabic, because it's Romanized, the LC and Chicago standards are that in-name particles like "ibn" or "al" (I would not be surprised if "bin (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The Somalia analogy holds for a decade ago, I think, when several factions had a more or less equal hold on different parts of the country. Now I'd say Afghanistan has "stabilised" as a decentralised theocracy. (...) First make it clear that (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Taliban... some things to mull over
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(...) There is indeed the money angle. bin Laden's(1) organization runs on money, and his rather large personal fortune is kept in institutions in the west. Once it is proven that he's involved in this (or other) terrorist actions, (2) it may be (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. I wasn't keen on the "nation building" exercise we tried in Somalia, it failed dismally. But maybe that's what is required here. I have no idea. What's the alternative though? I am *opposed* to just going in and indiscriminately (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The big lie
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(...) Correct. I don't want civil rights lessened or destroyed across the board. (...) I suspect you are reading things correctly, unfortunately. That doesn't make what happens "right" though, as I've said before, just because a majority votes (or (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Taliban... some things to mull over
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(...) Come on now. Did you read the article in the link Larry gave? Have you read anything about the Taliban? Among the things that make them "evil"... - You can be imprisoned for shaving your beard (Or even having it short). - It is not only (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Sorting Air Safety (Re: Rooting out nests of snakes and destroying them)
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(...) Is it time to put an end to this? Could Scott and Larry be banned from replying to each other for a trial period at least? just an idea, DaveL (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I read that article from the New Yorker -- a really valuable perspective piece I thought. Vollmann does more than describe the Taliban message too, he gives a good background on how they were brought to power by decades of misery in (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The big lie
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(...) Are you saying that the do not want your government to invade the privacy of individuals which they suspect may be terrorists in a manner which is simpler that it is right now, but it is OK for them to improve airport security? In either case, (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Sorting Air Safety (Re: Rooting out nests of snakes and destroying them)
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(...) ... and it looks like I was correct. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Taliban... some things to mull over
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(...) Calling them "evil" proves nothing. It may work for GWB on CNN, but it does nothing for me. (...) Indeed it is not. Neither is it the duty of US to ensure people are enslaved by their government. Or is it? (...) There is nothing to bomb in (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: "Kill 'em all"
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(...) I have to agreed. I detest talk of revenge and retribution. This should be replaced talk of justice. But the problem with that is that is does to attract views to the networks. Scott A (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Taliban... some things to mull over
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(...) More rumour. More speculation. That is just what we need. Scott A (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Origins Debate
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(...) I don't understand this argument. Everything science proposes is theory (hypothesis, actually). It never goes beyond that. Everything science determines is a tentative explanation, pending better. It is not valid to claim that "evolution is (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Thinking Out Loud...
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(...) Well... I heard them. I heard what they were saying BEFORE this. bin Laden's jihad isn't just about Israel being mean to the Palestinians. It's way more than that. Read some of the links posted here, the interviews with him, the link I gave (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Thinking Out Loud...
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Very well put Richard, Lets finally look at the root cause. All this talk of attacking, revenge, terrorism. Can someone please tell me why these people did these horrific acts? What drove them? was it the only option they had to make their (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | If he's not linked/responsible then why are they carrying his flag?
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What I want to know is, if Osama bin Laden is not involved then why are people carrying his flag and making statements? This to me doesn't make sense. If someone else was involved, surely they'd carry his flag instead?... Anyone else wake up and (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The Origins Debate
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(...) If that's a backhanded concession of any sort, I'll take it. :) Another good site is www.swordandspirit.com. It's chock full of humor - about as far from cranky as you can yet. (...) I don't see this. Can you cite an example? (...) At this (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Thinking Out Loud...
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(...) I'm sure that we'll see more civilians die at the hands of fanatics, and I'm sick to the guts at the prospect of a terrorist nuke or deliberately seeded epidemic. I don't know when it will end. I don't think politeness works with insane (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Thinking Out Loud...
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(...) Before people foam about this petition, they ought to go actually read it. It asks for very reasonable things... that we seek to obtain proof of who did it, that we do our utmost not to target civilians, that we not seek revenge on nations (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | The Taliban... some things to mull over
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This is a very long article but I found it quite worth the read. (URL) far as I am concerned, the Taliban is pretty straightforwardly evil, if only for what it has done to its own people in the name of Islam. That said, it is not the duty of the US (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Thinking Out Loud...
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(...) I want you to identify precisely what that means for me, because it is my guess that if you REALLY examine what it might mean you will see how it is an unachievable goal. And even if it is achievable, I have the funny idea that what you are (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Thinking Out Loud...
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(...) I have to jump in... What do you think pacifism at a time like now is going to get us? All it will get us is more innocent Americans (among others) killed. Do you think these people are just going to stop now? Do you think if we say "Please (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Thinking Out Loud...
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(...) I try to be a pacifist: as Richard says, it's a position that's only really challenging when war looms. The more I think about it the more I am convinced that any military offensive in the Middle East will be a grave mistake, morally as well (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: New Bill expands the DMCA
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(...) What's worse, "digital devices" means software and hardware. So open source operating systems would be illegal. (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Zogby Reuters poll
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In article <GJuwHM.9ED@lugnet.com>, "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote: <snip> (...) You also have to consider that the only contact Joe Sixpack has with arab peoples in general is what he sees in movies or on the evening news. J.S. (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Thinking Out Loud...
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Hey Y'all: In the wake of the enormous human tragedy of last Tuesday there is little that can be said to assuage the justified anger, sadness, bewilderment, and deep conflict that many of us are feeling. I think it's important to give into these (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Rudy rocks. They ought to draft him for another term. Most level headed politician we have. But I digress. :-) (...) Not a frivolous attack at all, IMHO. It's amazing how easy it is to ignore the actual answer to your question when you are so (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes or the press conferences with the New York mayor: Mayor: our first priority is to resuce and search for people Reporter 1: Whats the body count upto? Mayor: we're not interested in that, we're concerned about finding people Reporter 2: How (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Excerpted from the latest poll, completed on the 16th, reprinted without permission: (start) Respondents effectively differentiate between terrorists and either a specific ethnicity or religion as 84% of those surveyed consider the U.S. to be at war (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yup, me too. (...) Yes, this is the difference. The US seems to want military action against known terrorists, even if bin Laden is just a suspect in this one case. I would suggest that the only immediate action that should be taken is to (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Los Angeles had 2 drives sponsored by competing TV stations. $350,000 was raised by one. Over $1,000,000 was raised by the other. Not bad for a couple of anchors who made a simple phone call to get them started. -Dave (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oooops! They have plugged it!! Didn't realise 'cos I had the cookie in my browser 8?( ROSCO (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, they have a fairly effective method of categorizing articles, and filtering posts, which makes it somewhat easier than some for finding interesting / useful stuff. (...) address, use (URL) found on /.!!) Dunno why they have rego if they (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thanks to Ross posting the Stallman link I did some nosing around /. and there is a lot of great stuff there! Here is a very thought provoking essay (URL) to the brits out there, keep reading past the bit about how and why the brits did what they (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd like to take a crack at this representing the Biblical Inerrancy crowd and have a little fun, too. I know what you're thinking: "You can't mix the two." Ha, and again I say, ha. (...) That'd be pretty hard, considering that the altar was (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) WHOOPS! Forgot things: Also, isn't it great that you DON'T have to agree with my view of faith? 8?) Oh, and you're welcome... Matt (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fox News Channel has been replaying the mass in its entirety since it happened...if you have access to them on satellite/cable, I'd check them late night tonight...also, try stations like EWTN and the like, I don't watch them, but it seems (...) (23 years ago, 18-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is not all correct. In some jurisdictions, a given criminal act can result in different charges, based on the criminal's reason for the act. For example, If an assault is primarily motivated by the perpetrator's hate for people of the (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Seems a good summation from my POV. (...) No probs there either. I'd prefer not to discuss directions, as I have fairly limited knowledge of America's foreign policy. But I think it's fair to assume that someone's pretty annoyed with it right (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Also this piece by Richard Stallman: (URL) (who's never had his baggage searched at any airport, even when he declared slightly more than allowable value at customs 8?) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As a Christian, I agree that if many so-called Christian leaders had their way we'd all be almost Amish. As I've said before, I believe it's because most Christians are guilt-motivated. They really don't know what to think and as such are (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Matthew Gerber writes: <snipped all but one line> (...) While I don't concur with some of your reasoning behind what you believe, I wanted to thank you for your "Prayer posting" and for the tribute page - both are (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have heard others criticise Paul in a similar way, basically saying that his ranting is not necessarily representative of what Jesus would have preached... but that I suppose is as much interpretation as anything else. Which I think is the (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the case of Mosaic Law, our letters record Christ himself declaring it irrelevant, so the authority has in fact settled it for those who accept that authority. Some things have in fact changed, and the majority of believers recognize it as (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From Forbes, which is much more libertarian than Fortune (which is why I subscribe to one and read the other on airplanes where it's free to me) (URL) I say I totally agree that we do not need changes in the Bill of Rights? Airport Security (...) (23 years ago, 17-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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