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(...) Awesome!!! (And I didn't know there was a Linux version in development. Waycool, can't wait to try it out!) --Todd (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Move all the pieces so that the center of rotation is at 0,0,0. For some tips on how to do this, read the advanced lessons at: (URL) Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com ---...---oooo-----(_...o---...--- WWW: (URL) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I've been trying to keep a low profile on this thread after having stirred the pot at the beginning, but now that I think of it, I have a few pseudo- philosophical questions. There've been myriad discussions of the merits and shortcomings of (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Personally, I wouldn't care one way or the other *intrinsically* if ldraw.org decided to host off-brand elements... What I (personally) would be very sad to see is LEGO stuff being *mixed* with off-brand stuff. That's what I meant by going the (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I hate to reply just to insert a "me too", but I whole-heartedly agree. And folks (I won't name names) second-guessing James' prejudices without actually having *met* him exhibits more than a fair amount of arrogance, IMHO. The way I (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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*snip* (...) *snip* Thanks for the elucidation! One last question: how do you set the center of a piece permanently, as in a new DAT file? I notice, for example, that doors rotate on the anchoring studs, rather than on the center of "mass" of the (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yes to both questions. If you are unsure about the centre of the part you are currently working on, you can temporarily switch to a different part, move it around, set the centre, and LEdit will remember this 'till the next time you reset the (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) / T C sets the center of rotation to the position of the blinking cursor and leaves it there until you change the center of rotation again. When you start the program, the center is at 0,0,0 --Bram Bram Lambrecht / o o \ BramL@juno.com (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) That works fine for me, because for now I use LEdit almost exclusively. I'm a little familiar with the "/T C" function; does this set the "center" to the center of the piece? How about when using subassemblies while drafting larger (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) In LEdit you can set the rotation centre with the keystroke "/ T C". I don't know about other LEGO CAD packages, but I think they should follow the LEdit standard when it comes to keystrokes. Fredrik (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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That was a trick answer. I don't know how and I am hoping someone will say how. I think MLCad takes the center of the grouping bounding rectangle. It certainly doesn't seem to be based on the origin. I had a submodel that I made sure had its 0,0,0 (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Actually, you've mentioned off-handedly something that's been bugging me for a long time; how do you "set" the center of rotation? As with a lot of my questions, I'm afraid the answer might be embarrassingly simple, but I haven't been able to (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Well, I'd get one positioned correctly in good contact with the gear, and in the horizontal plane, then group the two items together, make sure the center of rotation is the center of the gear, and rotate by the proper number of degrees. (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Clone DATs--any interest?
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I am pretty purist myself and can't see using clones or modeling with them (except in trains if some clone comes along and delivers what most trainheads want at acceptable quality levels), but I repeat my thesis: Why be exclusionary? What's wrong (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hi, I've just received a message from a user about an article in the December issue of Linux Magazine (Volume 1 Number 8) on page 77. I don't have the magazine but he was kind enough to type the article for me: <article> Forget Tetris Show Me any (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Anybody working on spoked Adventurer's wheel?
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Now that the parts tracked doesn't seem to work, I'd like to ask if anybody are working on the spoked wheel, as seen in the Adventurers sets? I was thinking of giving it a try. Do anybody know the number for it? It doesn't seem to have a number (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Tim: (...) It certainly could be, but it would take some time due to my (slightly paranoid?) view of CGI programs - even those I write myself. I am not sure if the current version just needs some minor fixes or a complete rewrite based on lessons (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: ldraw update? last was 9905. 6 months ago
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(...) Tom, Steve Bliss has taken over Terry's position at Terry's request. As far as I understand, 9907 (or 2000-01) is in the works. -Tim (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 If you don't believe in Gosh, you'll go to Heck, where you'll face eternal (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | ldraw update? last was 9905. 6 months ago
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ive noticed there has been no update for... ( heart attack , keels over... ) ... 6 months. if the developement of ldraw can progress, someone needs to pacage up 9906's parts and give them to tim C. , or jacob. someones gotta pickup where terry left (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Problems with Ldraw related sites
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(...) Question- Should the Parts Tracker be moved to ldraw.org? IMO it would be more accessible and easier to use there, and the site is a natural location for such a utility. Just a question/suggestion, not pushing anything. It would be nice for it (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | ldraw.org Winter Goals
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Its time to make another thrust forward in the development of ldraw.org, and the winter season is the perfect time for it. So far, we've gotten the site up and its been a success. LDraw now has a permanent home and dedicated website to the cause. (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad, lugnet.org.us)
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| | Re: Clone DATs--any interest?
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(...) I read that page and I don't recall 'Lego' being mentioned once. But your interpretation is correct. (...) The 'Centralized LDraw Resources' is, but the meaning behind it is subject to change. (...) Ewww! Ewww! Ewww! Ewww! Ewww! You've proven (...) (25 years ago, 26-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Problems with Ldraw related sites
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[ XFUT lugnet.cad.dev ] Manfred: (...) No. It hasn't disappeared, but it definitely appears that it needs to be fixed/improved/updated. (...) I think you misunderstood me (I was just trying not to walk on too many people's toes at the same time). (...) (25 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free?
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(...) Jammes should be JAMES JESSIMAN major typo error :( (...) (25 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Steve: (...) My comments/changes will be preceded by a "J". [...] Subfile. A DAT file referenced from another file, via a linetype 1 command. Or any file which is lower in the file-reference tree than the current file. J Or any file which is the (...) (25 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) like I said Jammes wanted a standard : not a comercial product ! greetings martyn (25 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Reading the (URL) page, I always thought it was just assumed (in the "commonly understood" sense) that the purpose of ldraw.org was to unify LDraw things that were specifically LEGO-related (i.e., not for non-LEGO stuff). But maybe that's just (...) (25 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I agree. Happy Thanksgiving! -Tim (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 You know what you'll never see?? A fat Chinese man with flaming red hair running full speed while taking a crap. -Tom Ace (25 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Good observations. A program optimized for K'Nex and a K'Nex parts library would benefit the fans of K'Nex, but again, LDraw should focus on Lego brand products. If the ldraw.org /non-lego/ section *is* added, how much exposure should such a (...) (25 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Sorry, I missed your post and now I'm replying to the reply. :) I was allowed to distribute the parts without the software only because I was distributing them in a *modified* format. James didn't want me to distribute the original .DAT files, (...) (25 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) YES, I know that is why I posted it ! This conversation with Jammes was in the early beginning of his Ldraw(1995). I think Jammes wanted _his_ parts to be(come) a standard and because Leonardo Zide made a windows based programm he wanted to (...) (25 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) It would probably work well in the renderers, but you would need to create a new editor (LEdit type program) optimized for K'Nex pieces instead of LEGO pieces... You would probably have to use a smaller scale, too, because K'nex constructions (...) (25 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) It would make sense to package the clone parts together by brand. (...) Good thought. It probably wound work quite well, just like Lego. My remaining opinion is - try to stay with the original intention of LDraw, and lets not let it be (...) (25 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That's what I was thinking. It would actually be kinda cool to have various files for different brands. A "Tyco Parts Pack" and a "Coco Brick Parts Pack", and etc. -- Steve I've always wondered how well K'nex would work in LDraw. (25 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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In lugnet.cad.dev, Steve Bliss wrote: Still discussing (URL). I posted a new version, with the short-form syntax, to (URL) Comments? Steve (25 years ago, 25-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Basicly I cant figure out the right angles and positions to fit a complete set around the gears I have. -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Sure would. (...) You're probably more right than I am here. Afterall, it promotes LDraw, and the point of ldraw.org is a centralized resource. Not allowing non-Lego LDraw models on the site would be contradicting that charter and encouraging (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Help! The Classic 4-blade rotor has been overwritten!
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[moved to lugnet.cad.dev] (...) Thanks for pointing this out, James. I'm looking into it. Note to anyone looking for the original 3464.dat: it is in the lcad97-17 update, available from ldraw.org. Just be careful not to overwrite any other (newer) (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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[ FUT lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw and lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands. This does not (imo) belong in lugnet.cad.dev, so please stop cross-posting to that group. ] Dave Schuler: (...) That would certainly be a possibility, but if you accept to use the (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Clone DATs--any interest?
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(...) Thanks! That's just part of the TXT file in the clone.dat zip package. In addition, each individual DAT-file starts with this header: 0 MegaBloks Brick 1 x 2 with notch and 6 slots 0 Name: c010102b.dat 0 Author: Dave Schuler! 0 VERY Unofficial (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Support Insectoids Leg Small, part #30211, partially complete
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[XPOST lugnet.faq, XFUT lugnet.cad.dev. Please follow-up appropriately.] (...) Inlining is the process of replacing a subfile reference with the contents of the subfile. Like this: b = 12*a a = c + 3 If you _inlined_ a into b, you'd get: b = 12*c + (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.faq)
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What do you mean? Are you asking how the pieces go together, or something else? The piece physically hooks together just like a regular chain link piece. (...) Larry Pieniazek larryp@novera.com (URL) - - Web Application Integration! (URL) (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Hmm.. Maybe I could reduce the controversy and hassle if I just put together a site of my own (Geocites and Xoom are free, right?) and put any pertinent clone info there instead of taking up space on one of the more official sites. If I were (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Whither L3P?
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(...) I (...) using (...) I think it's a problem with my ISP. I have received several e-mails from others who can hit the server, and Onyx e-mailed me the zip file. Thanks for the suggestion. James (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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[ FUT lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw and lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands ] Tim (citing Jacob): (...) Correct. (...) If somebody wants to do the work, it is worth the work. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Can someone please help me with tips on using the new technic link tread piece? -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Sure, I'd help. But *practically* <grin> how would it fit in? Would there be a 'Non-Lego' main section of the site as in (URL) Because it can't go under /download/updates/ - that's saved for official L-CAD [1] parts updates. I don't think it (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.cad.dev)
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[ XFUT lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw and lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands ] Dave Schuler: I don't think I would ever use clone parts (as in shape, not necessarily as in producer) myself, but I definitely think that we should admit that LDraw can be used for (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands)
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| | Re: Whither L3P?
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(...) Internet Explorer. Maybe this will help: try to copy/paste the URL into the address box of your browser. The address box is the place where you can enter a URL by typing it directly with the keyboard. Greetings, Manfred Moolhuysen. (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: New part: Plate 6 x 6 x 2/3 Cross with Dome - 30303.dat
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(...) Thanks, and I agree. At this point I am looking for practice with developing parts. I realize that there are parts people are wanting very badly, Let them experience some patience. We have just began our collection of parts, and will not spend (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Good disclaimer. (...) Understood. (...) Its commendable what you're doing here, Dave. Its pretty controversial, and I'll be one of the first people to admit that I'm against it, but it still should be taken at face-value: a contribution. You (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) They are clearly different situations. Both sites are led by individuals. In Todd's case with Lugnet, he does own it and can make decisions on his own about what happens to it without room for question. In my case with ldraw.org, I serve as (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Here's part of the disclaimer I've already attached in the zip-file: I know my efforts may seem like heresy to a number of AFOL's, and I apologize for any stepped-on toes. Let me state plainly that the pieces included here are ABSOLUTELY (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Count me in the minority, then. Making parts is hard. If someone wants to make parts I say more power to them. Perhaps making clone parts will refine their modeling skill, which has to be a good thing for all of us. I understand the issues but (...) (25 years ago, 24-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Though there might be some interest in them, I don't think they should be sanctioned officially from Lugnet or ldraw.org. (...) Agreed. (...) I think that anyone who wants to distribute clone parts should do them on their own personal web (...) (25 years ago, 23-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Whither L3P?
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Thanks, Hoss. Don't know why I can't see his server. James (...) I (...) using (...) (25 years ago, 23-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) hey jim-bob! i got in no problem, just mailed you a copy of the zip file to the above address... :) J (25 years ago, 23-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Whither L3P?
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Trying to rebuild my Lego software. Again. Gotta love Windows 9x. Anyway, I can't get L3P -- my browser can't locate the server. Here's the URL I'm using -- is there another? (URL) Wilson (25 years ago, 23-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Clone DATs--any interest?
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(...) I think there would be some interest in have virtual clone parts available in LDraw format. (...) Where can he post them? Would lugnet.cad.dat be acceptable? Maybe lugnet.cad.dat.ideas? Or would it be better if Dave (and anyone else with clone (...) (25 years ago, 23-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: New part: Plate 6 x 6 x 2/3 Cross with Dome - 30303.dat
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(...) motivation and time to model it, then please go ahead and enjoy the challenge. I think we will end up with more parts if authors work on those which interest them and are within their authoring capabilities, rather than feeling an obligation (...) (25 years ago, 23-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Backing up other people's web sites? (Was: Problems with Ldraw related sites)
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[ XFUT lugnet.publish ] Manfred Moolhuysen: [...] (...) [...] This reminds me of the problems I run into now and then, when websites I link to disappear (not saying that the LDraw Parts Tracker is disappearing). Should I offer people to keep a (...) (25 years ago, 23-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.publish)
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| | Re: Problems with Ldraw related sites
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(...) Yes, that did the trick, it's working again But the the LDraw Parts Tracker is not working still. Last week I've send a message to Zachary Benz his personal address about this. I haven't recieved a reply from him jet. Is his status known to (...) (25 years ago, 23-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) That's all I needed to know! In that case I certainly won't post them here, but if anyone wants them, let me know via Email. (...) Oops! Looks like I'm going to have to re-browse the charter. Sorry! Dave! (still getting the hang of things!) (25 years ago, 22-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Not to put a damper on your enthusiasm for clone parts, but please don't post any clone parts here even if you *do* get a generally positive consensus. Note that the charter for lugnet.cad.dat.parts only allows for official LEGO® elements: (...) (25 years ago, 22-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Anyone have a good name for TLC part#30303?
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(...) -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 21-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Jonathan Wilson wrote in message: (...) fighter (...) As long as you have wanted that part, I figured *you* would have made it by now. ---D M Garcia (URL) (25 years ago, 21-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Hidden surface removal, and vertex order in part/primitive DAT files
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Hello! Eventually I finished orienting (automatically) all faces of bricks 10 and 2560! For those who are interested by the results, please have a look at (URL) the same place, one'll find the corrected 2560. Yes, this part as small bugs: 16 faces (...) (25 years ago, 21-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Hmm... This is a piece that belongs in the Space category, if anything does. But I'll deny saying that, later. ;) It's not a Brick. It doesn't belong in Equipment. It's not really a Wing. The only category it really fits into is Plate. How (...) (25 years ago, 20-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Is the LDraw parts database free?
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(...) I'll agree with you. There is definitively a creative process going on when modeling brick, possibly except for the very simplest ones. (...) Yes, but these differences reflect the format, not the author, don't they? Fredrik (25 years ago, 20-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Anyone have a good name for TLC part#30303?
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(...) That would be ok, except... I don't have one... yet. Paul (25 years ago, 20-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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What is next now that you have done this part? If you have one the tie fighter etc canopy piece would be appreciated. -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 20-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Keywords should have: rock raiders rockraiders underground starwars star wars sith infiltrator -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 20-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Anyone have a good name for TLC part#30303?
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I have this part very near completion and would like to know what to call it. Also what category and keywords to use. The 30303 is the 6 x 6 "4 point", "plate?" that is used as the #4910 Hover Scout base (URL) and the landing pads for the 4980 (...) (25 years ago, 20-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | Re: Line in the Sand
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(...) There are two possibilities for updating the document with this approach: 1. Just change the syntax expressions, and modify any syntax-specific references. This would be the low-impact approach, with only cosmetic changes. 2. Rework the (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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* Jacob Sparre Andersen (sparre@sys-323.risoe.dk) [991119 10:29]: (...) Even worse; Giving a part to the part-library gives up certain rights to the part. If it isn't clear what rights exist, then people may not make parts for the part-library. I (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Steve: (...) It is preferable that it is clear what can and can not be done with the library. Otherwise people will come and ask us "all the time". (...) People shouldn't have to ask for permission to do anything we can agree it is reasonable to let (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Fredrik Glöckner <fredrik.glockner@bio.uio.no> wrote in message news:m3u2mipne0.fsf@....uio.no... (...) There absolutely is a creative process going on when modeling a part. If you gave 10 people the challenge of modeling the TIE cockpit piece, I (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Jonathan Wilson: (...) In our case the source code is files in LDraw format, and the "executable programs" are derivations such as POV-Ray files, raytraces, and LDraw output in general. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Steve: (...) [...] It is definitely a useable option. How will the specification document look then? If it is easier to read that way, then you have one proponent for that solution. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'm afraid I don't fully understand what you mean here. On the second last line, are you saying that you could distribute it on the internet, provided that you keep the program and the parts together and made sure that it was a fully working (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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The Doctor What <docwhat@gerf.org> writes: [ snipped the Gnu Manual License ] (...) This is probably quite similar to the X11 License I posted in my previous post, and I think something like that would suffice for the parts library. Fredrik (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) It's the fuzziness I dislike. I would like to see some clear legal terms for the use of the parts. About the "community created" parts library, not the ones made by James Jessiman, I agree with Larry Pieniazek that the GPL is a bit too (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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* Jonathan Wilson (wilsonj@xoommail.com) [991118 10:09]: (...) GPL refers to source code and binaries, and the fact that shipping a binary only won't let you fix problems your self (RMS has a story about a #$*#$& printer that, if they had the driver (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I have mailed with Jammes Jessiman about selling the parts, and program he made. This was his answer: You may sell it as long as you keep the parts and program together and proper. He ment I could distribute it as if I was the internet I could (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) So do we want to clearly delineate what people can, and cannot, do with the parts library? Or is it better to leave it fuzzy? If people have to ask permission before doing certain actions (such as translating and/or redistributing), who do (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Good point. I haven't read the GPL lately, and I have a bad memory for license details. Steve (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) The clause in the GPL refers to "source code" i.e. something which can be compiled into an executable program. -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Hear Hear. What he said. (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I'm not so keen on seeing the parts GPLed as I don't want to be in the business of handling requests for the parts library if I give someone some instructions that were made using them. Be very careful before you GPL something, it conveys specific (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I agree with this statement, but I was hoping that we could have this stated in a more formal way somewhere. I find this very important as people spend hundreds of hours of work on the parts which are donated to the LDraw community. (...) I (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) If you've had to say it a hundred times already, I think it _should_ be in the FAQ. That's what FAQs are for, isn't it? Frequently answered questions. (...) Nah, I wouldn't say so. The parts database isn't distributed with LDLITE. Sure, LDLITE (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Steve Bliss <blisses@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:xrgyOJpVudlFIjV...4ax.com... (...) numbers (...) number (...) me (...) This is a perfect opportunity for the LCAD community to give a HUGE round of applause to Terry Keller for his (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Still discussing (URL). Here's another syntactical approach to BFC. Like it, hate it, let us know what you think. Have a single 0 BFC statement, which allows specifications of various options/settings. Something like: 0 BFC ( CERTIFY | NOCERTIFY | (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Leonardo Zide <leonardo@centroin.com.br> wrote in message news:3831F66E.B12CD0....com.br... (...) A number of people _are_ using parts from the LDraw database to help make a profit. Parts auctions, and even a supplier of "homebrew" sensors are (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) The files James published are copyrighted, and his family has control on the copyright. They have given 'us', the L-CAD group, permission to continue to publish and maintain his work. The additional parts, as Jacob said, are copyrighted by (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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[x-post and f-up to lugnet.cad.dev] (...) The parts-release administrator. Who will be me, but isn't me yet. Terry Keller has been wrangling the parts-updates for two years now (he's done a *great* job! Thanks, Terry!). After the next update, (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dat.parts, lugnet.cad.dev)
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Hello all, I've noticed there is a mockup file being passed around, wich proofs there is a definite need for an official part #2865 - Train Track 9V Straight. Hmm.. it's a nice difficult one. Would you please answer the following questions: 1. Has (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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[ Just for the record: IANAL ] Fredrik: (...) The _collection_ of LDraw files is strictly speaking owned collectively by all of us who in some way have contributed to the collection. The _individual_ LDraw files are owned by whoever worked on them. (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I thought everybody knew that. :) (...) This is not the kind of thing that would be in the FAQ. I just said that because I was probably the only person who ever asked permission to use the LDraw library in another program. Maybe Tore had the (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yes, but most people would probably prefer not to install DOSEMU or a similar program unless they have to. (...) Ok, I've never heard this before, and it's not in the FAQ. But now that I know, this is valuable information. (...) Yes, unarj (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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