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| | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Marc Nelson Jr.
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| | | | | (...) I wouldn't be buying this set anyway, but I'm really getting tired of TLC's excuses to AFOLs. "New molds cost too much" was the old refrain, but now it's "an inability to produce new colors of those parts in our current financial state". Where (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview — Jake McKee
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| | | | | | | (...) Mark, please please don't take my desire to break down the wall and share information with the community as "excuses" or dishonesty. (...) Things aren't as simple as that. New parts, more than ever before, are designed in a wholistic mindset. (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | | Dear Jake, Please don't take these sorts of email too seriously. I won't speak for anyone else but at least one of us AFOLs wholly supports this communication and, for that matter, the release itself. Thank you very much for all the work, time and (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Mark de Kock
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Me too! I will do anything in my power to make this new set a succes. I hope my wife will let me buy several... /\/\ark "I have two BNSFs, so I'll need a lot of cars" de Kock (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I think the problem is the verbiage in the legofan.org article mentioning "our current finanancial state". The explanation in the ILTCO article is much better, IMO. Steve (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Marc Nelson Jr.
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| | | | | | | | (...) Jake, I wish you hadn't turned this into a personal issue when it is a corporate policy issue. Do you see the words "Jake McKee" anywhere in my post? Now the "rally round Jake" LUGNET defense mechanism has been activated, and anything I say (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Richard Morton
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| | | | | | | | | <snip> (...) Marc, I think maybe you need to understand the sheer expense involved in setting up a production line specifically for parts not currently in stock. I know of one example where some basic bricks and plates were needed in a slightly (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview — Jake McKee
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| | | | | | | | (...) Mark, the reason I took this personally is because I was one of the people making this decision. I know it sometimes seems like the LEGO Group is some big, cold, floating entity in the sky, but it's a group of people just like any community. (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Brian Davis
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| | | | | | | | | (...) This was something that caught me off-guard at Celebration III in Indy. Certainly 99.9% of the folks there were Star Wars fans, yet the LEGO booth was hopping, selling product like crazy. The ISD sold out - they were taking orders to be (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —James Seibert
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| | | | | | | | Thanks Jake! This is a great looking set, especially needed for a Monday. And this, after finding out there is now a discount on bulk track purchases in one of the online catalogs! And, yes, I am willing to be counted as a sucker. Considering all (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Rafe Donahue
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Can you give any more details about this bulk track purchase thing you mentioned? Rafe (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —James Seibert
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I don't know how long this will last or if the offer has expired. Someone from the Gateway Lego Users Group noticed this offer and sent the following info out on the group list. --- In GtwLug... Blackrock <blackrock@y...> wrote: (...) (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Rick Clark
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| | | | | | | | In lugnet.trains, James Seibert wrote: <snip> (...) Actually, Jake already delivered on this request, although in a sneaky way. It was Jake who (strongly?) suggested to the set designers that set #7045, Hovercraft Hideout (URL) would greatly benefit (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Ya, every time someone trashes Jake for not looking out for us, I remember that set. Pretty slick move. So slick, I'm willing to forgive Jake for finagling his own minifig. (URL) or (URL) WHO can POSSIBLY say that isn't a minifig Jake??? (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Johannes Koehler
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| | | | | | | | | | Hello! (...) I have to say! I'm shocked. Jake, I didn't know you would.... (URL) me, I'm a link!>> Bye Jojo (URL) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.fun, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) He was a lot(1) younger then! And perhaps wiser???(2) 1 - OK, not a LOT younger, I think I've been getting TRAINS longer than he's been alive! 2 - Different chemical dependency. I keep telling my wife that a drug addiction would be more (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.fun, lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —James Seibert
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| | | | | | | | (...) <snip> (...) No, its not bad. I have several of those for that same purpose. Sometimes I wonder if designers are being kind and designing sets with dual purpose uses for some of the parts. Kind of like like buying SW sets and using the (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —John Riley
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| | | | | | (...) It's not the upfront money, it's the projected sales that determine whether a new mold is produced. Trains, while popular among AFOLs, just don't sell well among Lego's target market. I imagine that the projected sales for 10170 is at most (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.market.theory, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Sure, would have been nice, I guess, but I'm more understanding than some (or, to the cynics and naysayers out there, a bigger sucker). I'll be buying a few just for the TTX stickers though, there are a LOT of TTX car types out there... (...) (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Christian Treczoks
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| | | | (...) Call me ignorant, but what the heck is this "TTX", anyway? A kind of track gauge? Wondering, Christian Treczoks (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Tim David
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| | | | | (...) Its like 1:120 scale modeling, but with stronger frames and chunky tires Oh no, thats BMX ;-) Tim (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) (for those that don't get the reference, TT is one of the "Classic" scales in Model Railroading, along with: - N 1:160 - HO 1:87 - S 1:64 - O 1:48 Out of those 5, it's probably the least popular or least well represented by manufacturers. In (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | (...) It's not a historical oddity in Europe, where several companies are still producing incredible stuff and among scratch builders it's still populair because of the high degree of detailling compared to N vs the smaller footprint of h0 (it's h0 (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Tim David
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| | | | (...) "TTX Company provides railcars and related freight car management services to the North American rail industry." From (URL) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —John Neal
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| | | | | (...) Yes, they were formerly know as "Trailer Train" (switching to TTX in 1991). The "X" is commonly used in the rail industry to indicate the word "transportation". HTH, JOHN (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) That's one interpretation. I'm not sure I agree, though. Another one is that it means NON transportation companies, that is, lessors and shippers. X is often appended to reporting marks(1) for equipment owned by NON transportation companies to (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Christian Treczoks
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| | | | | | Dear John, dear Tim, (...) Thank you for these insights. It made the whole issue a lot clearer. Thanks, Christian (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Didier Enjary
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| | | | (...) The question of Christian is revealing that the target audience for the TTX is clearly North American (initially desired by TLC or not). I mean european (non AFOL - the main part of TLC customers) audience don't know TTX, and have never seen a (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) American themed, European themed... at one level I don't care. Whatever LEGO produces, I (we) can do better(1). So any set is good, regardless of how it looks as a set, *IF* it has good parts. And I agree that this set looks like it will have (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | Another well-balanced discussion evolving here I see... (...) Agreed, so far. (...) Er, perhaps that statement could be qualified a little. Maybe North American prototypes resonate with the American audiences that you tend to find attending American (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Fair cop. How big are train shows elsewhere though? How big is the market elsewhere? In Singapore, no one I talked to (small sample) had even heard of a train show! I suggest that there IS a market here, one worth trying to serve. The US (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) I'm kinda with Larry on this one--rtlToronto, a new additoin to the train show experience, has been doing 3-4 shows per year for the past few years. I know that Calum wants to keep things 'euro' (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | | (...) In the Netherlands we have 4-6 BIG shows (read over 20k visitors, from NW-Europe) every year, plus dozens smaller ones (between dozens and a few hundred attendees) by local clubs and such. (...) The new "high speed train" doesn't look like (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Tim David
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| | | | | | | | (...) nice choice, Oh well, we can but dream! tim (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | | (...) They're not though - they don't work for European fans any more than they work for Americans. Just because they don't look like American prototypes you assume they must therefore satisfy everyone else, and they don't. You can't claim they're (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) OK. I think we're getting bogged here though. I'd love to see way more sets in the range too, but my point stands, these sets are good for *a* large market. Not the only market, granted, but one that, prior to the ATSF F unit, had ZIP for (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | (...) This one looks pretty big (URL) (I must try to check it out one year). And there are many smaller shows across Australia each year. (...) Well, that's another good question. From the feedback we received at our first small show, I'd say (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) 100K is not too shabby at all. Bigger than most shows we do in the US actually. (...) Question: My read of AU prototype stuff (from the smattering I've seen mostly thanks to the good offices of AU AFOLS sharing their knowledge) is that while (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | (...) That's because a lot of it starts off as US: (URL) Dash 8> (URL) Roster list of the BHPBilliton IRON ORE ROAD> JOHN (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Well that's precisely what I was driving at! You're no fun. (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, I cringe a little at the thought of doing something for a show that size... (...) Yep, pretty much. And it would be nice to have a specifically AU set (maybe Ghan or Southern Aurora), but I'm not sure it would be a hit anyway. I was (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Mark Bellis
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| | | | | | (...) Train shows in the UK are many and have up to 20,000 visitors. I've done a 17,500 2-day show at the NEC in Brimingham as well as several 2-3000 shows and a few 500-1000 shows. I have a 14,000 show lined up for September. There are a lot of (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Samarth Moray
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| | | | | | (...) But you DO have British protos now! There's Thomas, Percy, James and all his other DUPLO freinds to play with! ;-D Legoswami (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | (...) I think if you're talking British locomotive prototypes, the only ones with international recognition are either models from the Awdry series or historic engines such as the Rocket or Mallard, most of which would need a new moulding for (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Samarth Moray
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| | | | | | (...) Don't forget the Scotsman..... SNIPPED (...) I think the Deltic Class 55 series would be a good choice as far as British protos go. (...) Thats a good choice too. IMO, since both these locos (Class 55 and Class 50) are there in Microsoft's (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Tim David
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| | | | | (...) And I don't either, I just think its great that Lego is still producing trains, especially ones based on real prototypes (although slightly more generic ones would be good too) However you mention that this set will strike a chord when seen at (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | As an Australian living in the UK I have to weigh in on this debate. (...) Nor do I. If I want realism I'll build it myself. If I want a nice Lego set, I don't care where it comes from (...) One thing I find is that American trains generally look (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Mark de Kock
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| | | | | | | (...) Living at 50 meters from the Deventer - Almelo tracks, I can give some examples of European train style: 1) no automatic couplers between freight cars 2) buffers (is that the right word for those round shock absorbers that each car end has two (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Jan-Albert van Ree
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| | | | | | | (...) Some of Paul Arzens work is typical for Algiers, France, the Netherlands and even Spain (and no doubt many more, he was the French company Alsthom's main designer for several decades): (URL) some of his later work (URL) are the striping, and (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | | (...) Thanks to everyone who has answered. I think that these Paul Arzens trains are the closest thing to the real answer to my question. They do seem quite a distinctly European (as opposed to a single country) design and I have noted similar (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Didier Enjary
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| | | | | | | | In lugnet.trains, Timothy Gould wrote: ... (...) Not exactly, the design is quite different from TGV and "Duplex TGV". TGV exists in various liveries - here a link that help you to clearly understand. (URL) Focus on : "Sud-Est" (older one) with his (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Calum Tsang
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| | | | | | | (...) Well, what's distinct about the trains themselves? There's been some good comments so far but here's some more... -Two axle freight cars -Electric propulsion vs Diesel-Electric -Brighter colours -Advanced technology, eg, TGV, ICE. Overall? (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Tim David
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| | | | | | (...) I find this interesting, can you quantify or elaborate on what makes a train 'train-like' For example what makes a TGV more train like than for example ICE3 (URL) or Pendolino (URL) I don't think it helps that the trains differ from country to (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Timothy Gould
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| | | | | | | (...) Pendolino. Certainly I had heard of the Shinkansen and TGV long before I'd heard of the ICE. I can't really qualify beyond that though: succesful design just seems to work in an intrinsic way. That however may just be me! (...) to see one 'in (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Mark Bellis
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| | | | | | | | (...) I can satisfy the first part :-) (URL) The real ones run every day along the line south from Derby, probably 2 an hour, along with probably another 2 goods trains with other locos and several DMUs and HSTs. Mark (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | (...) Now, to me, that looks the part. This one not so much: (...) entire train of streamlined head, tail, and coaches. The problem with any of them though is to pick a colour scheme that will have appeal, when they vary so much from one region or (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Tim David
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| | | | | | (...) Agreed, would be a good official model I think. (...) Well I like it but I don't think it would work as an official model. I included it as an example of loco that is fairly widespread. (...) Agreed, but the seperate vehicles concept can apply (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | (...) Good points. I think what you need is either a design that looks particularly desirable (like the SFSC), or something that includes desirable colours (like the BNSF did). How about picking a livery that's mostly dark blue? Jason Railton (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Tim David
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| | | | (...) I'm interested (an supprised that you consider 4561 to be European in feel, When I first saw it I thought space themed more than anything, if I had place it geographically I spose I might pick Japan, but only if pushed. Tim (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Car Preview —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) I suppose Japan if pushed too. I made a Shinkasen out of 2 copies and some extra parts, after all, way way back when. Jason's right though, I have, in this thread, fallen into the trap of categorising everything, accurate rendition or not, (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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