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(...) of (...) That's what makes God even more amazing. The fact that He is all powerful and all knowing and all creating, and yet desires to have a relationship with us all. He has stated this countless times throughout history. His greatest (...) (24 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's equally pathetic to believe that God is a male. You're limiting the supreme power with gender. (...) Don't be so sure of yourself. I've seen translations that use Mother and She instead of He. I don't need that, but if I had a twisted (...) (24 years ago, 3-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) hurmph. I have still yet to see anything that tells me that God "cares" (not to mention exists). The only reason that I can't say I don't believe in god is that I admit the possibility that such a being does exist, and it's beyond me to (...) (24 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is true. God the Holy Spirit is not gender specific. But Greek and Hebrew original writings speak of God the Father and God the Son as well. You can't argue about God the Son - Jesus was a man. God the Father is what Jesus called Him, and (...) (24 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, it should be She! --Todd (24 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What proof have you looked for? Give me some indication and then we can take this further. (...) You've decided that God is a she just to make things more interesting. That's about as rational as me calling you "Rebecca" just to make things (...) (24 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) me (...) how (...) on (...) toss (...) well - didn't you say that you feel god's interest? I never felt that, and never saw anything to even make me begin to think that... (...) when (...) first of all, I did read all through the old testament (...) (24 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Say, this bring up an interesting point (for me, anyway). I'm curious about something... Over my lifetime, I've heard God referred to as He millions of times, and in more recent years, occasionally I've heard Him referred to as She, but I (...) (24 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Colleen McCullough, who has read thousands of classical sources, writes invocations in her historical fiction that start, "Jupiter Optimus Maximus, of whatever name you prefer, of whichever sex you prefer..." I've not yet encountered this in (...) (24 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To answer your first question, Christians refer to God as "He" and "Father" because that's how Jesus referred to Him. Since we believe that Jesus is the Son of God, then it is natural to expect Him to know the correct way to address God. I (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, so it's a very long-established convention to use He and nothing else. Got it! (...) Ya, this reminds me of back in the late 80's when it was popular among certain groups not to acknowledge that the word "woman" (or "women") contained the (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Er, I didn't mean that ("He and nothing else") literally -- I meant to say "male gender equivalent," which would cover He, His, Him, Father, etc... It's a good thing, too -- because if deities could have other genders, then one question which (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If God is really a donkey, and Jesus had come to Earth and said, "Ok, now let's say Our Donkey in Heaven" do you think that anyone would have taken him seriously? In that society (and some would argue this society), being a woman didn't mean (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, according to Matthew 1:1-17, He was. It's way too long to write here, but it gives "X was the son of Y" all of the way from Abraham to Jesus. Well, technically Jesus wasn't related to Joseph, but that's close enough. Ben Roller (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The plight of the Israelites throughout the Old Testament is proof that he cared about them. He constantly refers to them as his "Chosen People". The fact that he sent Jesus to earth to do what He did is even more proof. I'm not talking warm (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't mean to beat a dead horse on this issue, but I would insist that it is "some Christians" or "most Christians" that refer to God this way. Pete implies that ALL do, and that is just not the case. Calling God a male is not a prereq for (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll give the horse one more kick ;-) To call yourself a Christian implies that you follow Christ. By it's very name that is its meaning. Following Jesus IS a prereq for being a Christian. Jesus called God "Father" and "He", so you draw your (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Again, you're assuming that events described in the bible are exactly as described, and were written down objectivly. The bible, however, was written by people who did believe in a God that led then through the desert etc, etc, etc. That makes (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Jesus never called God She as far as we know. He never drove a car either. Does that mean that just because He didn't do it that we can't do it (along with the stuff that He did do) too? (...) So wouldn't "They" be more appropriate for us that (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think this is getting a tad silly. The focus isn't on what Jesus didn't do. It's on what he did do. He did call God "Father" and "He", and therefore we (Christians) do too. Pete Callaway (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Consistent? Hahaha. You may want to review some of the previous threads here which ended up with the christians trying to explain away all the bible's inconsistencies as actually being consistent if you interpreted the words the way that made (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, it isn't. You're taking Peter's word that the translation he read (and views as the literal revealed truth) has the pronoun gender right. Not every church that's christian uses "he" What parts of the bible are correct historical record (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, then I suppose...the safest thing to use is God's name (or pseudoname) itself -- the first person form, rather than the third-person form? He / She / It => God Him / Her / It => God His / Hers / Its => God's Is that the best way then? (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh stop. Give up will you? You don't know for sure what Jesus did or didn't do or what he did or didn't say. You can only take the word of people dead almost 2000 years now, who recorded things in languages many translations removed from the (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not saying that referring to God as masculine is wrong, just that doing otherwise is equally right. You're implying that doing otherwise means that someone is not a Christian. That's the silly part IMHO. Ben Roller (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Unlike *some people* :) I don't speak for all Christians, but IMHO that's the best way. (...) I think "you" is fine, though I think I'd personally go with the capitalized "You". Jesus, in several places "I thank you, Father..." Satan says (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's just an European language thing isn't it? We have only one word for third singular person in Turkish, "o". So a Turkish speaking christian it doesn't make any difference, if that thing called god is a male, female or neither. Isn't it (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why should I? This is something I strongly believe in which is being challenged in a civil discussion, so lugnet.off-topic.debate T&C's notwithstanding, I'm entitled to speak. You're bored with it? Don't read it. (...) Not true, at Bible (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, as *some people* may say, Christians try to model their life on Jesus. Since I can't prove that Jesus referred to God in the feminine, but can prove He referred to God in the masculine, that's what I'm gonna do. I didn't mean to imply (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes indeed you are, but you're wrong and it's not just me thats disagreeing with you. You're just repeating your arguments over and over but they've been discredited. (...) How do you know these are copies of the original texts? How do you (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One of the arguments that has been repeated over and over here is the issue of the gender of God, and how to address God, which I think we'll all have to agree to dissagree on. I've stated my case on what I have researched and believe. You (...) (24 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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First off, sorry if anyone was offended by the subject...I was getting tired of the old one. (...) <sigh> There you go again, speaking as if your opinions are the prerequisite for Christianity. It may not be a secret to anyone else, but to me the (...) (24 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The prereqs for being a Christian have been around long before I graced this earth. You make it sound like I'm professing to be the be-all and end-all of Christian knowledge. If stating what I believe based on facts I have researched is (...) (24 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doh! You assumed right, I did not. I thought you lived in the USA too. Sorry about that! I'm sure that it happens all of the time because a lot of Americans tend to assume that everyone on the Internet is an American too (NOW I notice the .au (...) (24 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry (...) Americans (...) No stress, although when I see some of the FOTW posts I wish I was in the US so I could get my hands on some cheap LEGO. Whoops...On-Topic. Pete Callaway (24 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not Christain, but I am gay, and my daughter is Christian, so I've done some digging on this to combat the stuff she was getting from her church which had her really worried about *me*. Without getting into a long rigamarole, there are (...) (24 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Before I start, I'd like to say that there is no "super-bad" sin. All sin is considered equal in the eyes of God (except perhaps blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Matthew 12:31. Not sure how that one works). Many people, Christians included, (...) (24 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, its not so clear if you consider what is known as "pseudographia" -- the books selected out by Peter and the other late-comers (some of these were 200 years later late-comers). I, like others in this mad thread, have forgotten and (...) (24 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Peter Callaway writes: (much snippage, excepting the passage references cited as advocating against homosexuality) (...) I can't address most of these, as my memory is horrible, and I don't have a bible handy, but I will (...) (24 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> Somewhere we have a pamphlet about all this but I gave it to Liz and so I don't remember where it is. I'll try and find it and type some of them in for you, but I've no intention of typing in the whole thing :-). The only one I remember (...) (24 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And the fact that my tent isn't x cubits long and y cubits high, and I prefer to shake hands on an agreement rather than carve up an ox and walk through the middle of it means that most of the Levitical laws I don't practice. Jesus stated that (...) (24 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you tell me a bit about it I'll try to source it from my side of the Pacific Pond. I'm still interested in the response to the other verses I cited, as one of them specifically mentions "homosexual offenders". (...) Most of which make (...) (24 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) of (...) [megasnip] (...) Top 10 Reasons God is Not Gay: 10. A gay god would never have allowed catholisism to exist in its current 14th century state of mind. 9. A gay god would have hymns that sound more like showtunes. 8. A gay god would (...) (24 years ago, 6-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snipped list> (...) Well, for all intents and purposes, all of Leviticus is given equal weight. So if you are going to cite it as a source for correct behavior, you should either cite it as a single work, or disregard it, IMHO. Either (...) (24 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Wow, Ed, that was not only not funny, it was pointless. Great job. Really. Scott S. < snipped top 10 reasons etc. > ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> ssanburn@cleanweb.net Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> (URL) Page -> (URL) Page -> (URL) (24 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought it was the funniest thing I'd read in several weeks. --Todd (24 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's great. Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> ssanburn@cleanweb.net Systems Administrator-Affiliated Engineers -> (URL) Page -> (URL) Page -> (URL) (24 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I tend to have an extremely objective sense of humor. --Todd (24 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Very amusing, although one doesn't need to be gay to have those thoughts about Tammy Baker ;-) Here's something that might crack you up too. I laughed myself stupid for quite some time. (URL) the author of the site where it's hosted thinks (...) (24 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Day 27 - Still at Sea Arrr, the rain she falls all th' night and all day long. Spent all day feedin' the cattle and scooping poop, AGAIN. Thanks a lot God! I still say we shoulda left those darn skunks to drown. Mrs. Noah looks like she's dun (...) (24 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well I wondered...no, too easy. Besides, that would be mean. ;) Ben Roller (24 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) feedin' (...) ROTFL! You sometimes have to wonder, if Noah was really a man of infinite patience, or if God just let him complain as long as the job got done. :-, Cheers, - jsproat (24 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I don't think the Bible said that every animal made it OFF of the ark (alive anyway). I bet every time that Noah got really mad he just up and tossed a smelk, frabot or a unicorn off the side. Oh he was crazy alright. The guy was 600 (...) (24 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I bet it was really lonely in that little boat. :-) --Todd (24 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Scott, you don't think god has a sense of humor? Look at the platypus! (24 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought you asserted that you didn't believe in God, Ed. Therefore, how can He have a sense of humor. I have a sense of humor, but this really didn't "enlighten" me, nor did I think it was funny. Scott S. ___...___ Scott E. Sanburn-> (...) (24 years ago, 7-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey! Lay of the little fellas, I think they're cute! ;-) Pete Callaway (24 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well you wouldn't be the first, and there are times I won't deny it either ;-) Pete Callaway (24 years ago, 8-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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