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Re: Does God have a monopoly on gods?
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Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:56:47 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Peter Callaway writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dan Boger writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Peter Callaway writes:
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> > > It spins me out no end that God cares about us all. Imagine your greatest
> > > hero, moviestar, musicstar, etc, someone who you'd do anything to meet. Then
> > > imagine actually seeing them somewhere (say, walking down the red carpet to
> > > the next Oscar's) and they stop and say "Hi Dan, how are you? Want to join • me
> > > tonight? I've got a spare seat". Multiply that out the window, and that's • how
> > > I feel about God's interest in me. God does care about us, He's shown this • on
> > > numerous occasions. We are His creations. You don't create life and then • toss
> > > it out in the garbage bin.
> >
> > hurmph. I have still yet to see anything that tells me that God "cares" (not
> > to mention exists). The only reason that I can't say I don't believe in god
> > is that I admit the possibility that such a being does exist, and it's beyond
> > me to comprehend it. I've no proof one way or the other.
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> What proof have you looked for? Give me some indication and then we can take
> this further.
well - didn't you say that you feel god's interest? I never felt that, and
never saw anything to even make me begin to think that...
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> > > P.S. This political correctness thing with calling God "she" is pathetic.
> > > Sorry if that offends people, but it is. God the Father, God the Son and God
> > > the Holy Spirit. There is no mention anywhere in anyone's Bible of "she" • when
> > > referring to God, not by Himself, Jesus, or anyone else. It's not sexist,
> > > it's the way it is.
> >
> > well now. I've decided years ago that if there is such a thing as god, I'd
> > refer to it as a she, just because that will make things more interesting. I
> > never said that said God is the one mentioned in the Bible, or the Koran, or
> > the Tora... as my wife rightly points out, who cares what chromosomes God
> > has, if it's xx or xy? why would god even have a gender?
>
> You've decided that God is a she just to make things more interesting. That's
> about as rational as me calling you "Rebecca" just to make things more
> interesting. You may say that's OK, I can call you what I want, but the fact
> remains that it is not who you are. Calling someone by a different name or
> different gender just to make things interesting is arrogant.
>
> The Gender of God is not of paramount importance, but in our label-conscious
> world we need to give one to God, so He has chosen to be referred to as God
> the Father. Jesus (aka God the Son) refers to Him in this way, and when he
> first recited The Lord's Prayer, started it off with "Our Father, who art in
> Heaven....". Check the Hebrew and Greek original scripts of the Old and New
> Testament if you don't believe me. There is no feminine or neuter form used to
> descibe God. Even God the Holy Spirit is referred to as male (John 14:16-18).
first of all, I did read all through the old testament and never once saw a
mention of Jesus :) But all the references you mentioned are for the god _you_
believe in... I've read in the old testament God being refered to as both male
and female - I don't know the names of the books in english, so I'll just
transliterate: in "Tehilim" (praise?), 54:1 it says: "He'ezina elohim
tefilati ve'al titalem me'trhinati" - "God listened (female form) to my prair
and did not ignore (female form) my plea. And it goes on in the rest of the
chapeter all the time refereing to God as a female. There's more references
like this out there, I just opened randomly and found the first I ran into.
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> > "It's just the way it is"? what way is that again? is that what it says in
> > the book you're reading? why would I believe that book, and not the one next
> > to it?
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> Which book do you want to believe? The book that tells it "as it is", or the
> book which waters it down and allows you to manipulate things to suit your own
> lifestyle, where morality is relative. The Bible is not a role playing game,
> where you decide the storyline.
>
> What do you know about the Bible I read? Do you know that it was written by
> over 60 different authors over thousands of years, yet combines together as
> one consistent historical document.
I can't be sure with bible you read, but the fact that it was written by
however many people, who all believed the same thing, doesn't make it right,
you know. I like thinking for myself... Which is probably why I have such a
hard time with taking things on faith.
>
> Aside from the fact that other contemporary texts refer to and equally
> accurately describe the events in the Bible, what you need to believe in is
> the life of Jesus, and have faith that he is who he says he is. I believe that
> he has proved that. It takes faith to believe it, and it takes faith not to
> believe it.
First of all, if I were a religious person, I wouldn't believe in Jesus cause I
don't know what my religioun says about him, but it defenitly doesn't agree he
was the King of the Jews, since he was not decended from David. All my life
I was never tought about the new testament, since Judaism (sp) doesn't
believe in it... But since I'm not a religious person, that's not my problem.
The fact the some books some people wrote says Jesus did this and said that,
is not nearly enough for me to believe that that's what happend. I would just
as easily believe in all the urban ledgends that people keep repeating to each
other.
:)
Dan
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| (...) Yes, according to Matthew 1:1-17, He was. It's way too long to write here, but it gives "X was the son of Y" all of the way from Abraham to Jesus. Well, technically Jesus wasn't related to Joseph, but that's close enough. Ben Roller (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) The plight of the Israelites throughout the Old Testament is proof that he cared about them. He constantly refers to them as his "Chosen People". The fact that he sent Jesus to earth to do what He did is even more proof. I'm not talking warm (...) (25 years ago, 5-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) What proof have you looked for? Give me some indication and then we can take this further. (...) You've decided that God is a she just to make things more interesting. That's about as rational as me calling you "Rebecca" just to make things (...) (25 years ago, 4-Mar-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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