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Re: A few things...
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Sat, 28 May 2005 19:38:13 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
  
Americans are dying for Iraqi freedom

WHAT????? You seem to have conveniently forgotten the war in Iraq was primarily to remove the “threat” of nuclear weapons

What you seem to have never internalized is that we went into Iraq for one reason, and one reason only-- to depose SH’s evil regime.

Rubbish! If it was agreed he had complied with 1441, he would have been able to stay in power.

Correct. Because then we would have been satisfied that he didn’t have WMDs at his disposal to possibly provide to terrorists.

What WMD’s????

The ones the UN believed that he hadn’t destroyed.


...based on a case made by the USA.

  
   But John, what about those poor Iraqis and their thirst for “Freedom”?

What about them?
  
  
<snip off-topic material>

  
   We issued an ultimatum for him leave or we would make him.

That was a couple of days before the war. It is clear that even if he (and his sons) did leave, Bush would still have invaded.

No, Scott, it is not “clear” by any stretch of the imagination. That is your (ignorant, I might add) opinion.

You need to read Plan of Attack.

Figures you’d cite someone like Woodward. <yawn>

Bush trusted him, why don’t you?

  
  
  
  
   He didn’t, and we did.

He was the threat, he was the link and sponsor of terrorism.

Can you evidence what terror acts against the USA he sponsored?

I can say that he sponsored terrorism against Israel.

Even if true, he still posed no threat to the USA(?)

If? That, again, is merely your uninformed opinion.


No John. It is a question directed at you. I shall try again:

Can you list any terror acts against the USA which SH sponsored?


  
  
   He used WMDs against his own people.

Yep, and he got them from Washington.

I don’t care if he got them from Uranus, it doesn’t justify using them.

What is the difference between gassing Kurds and napalming civilians? Why not start with your own backyard?

  
  
   That means that he had no compunction with associating with such swine (I chose “swine” because it is particularily offensive to Muslims) or murdering innocents on a massive scale.

What about Washington’s support for “such swine” and its “murdering innocents on a massive scale”?

See WWII Stalin ally argument.

Lol. The Nazi war machine rolled up a whole continent like a fireside rug. There is no comparison.

  
  
   That made him public enema number one.

No. Spin did that. It fooled people like you.

And, apparently, Clinton as well...

...you sound like you respect his judgment?

  
  
  
  
   The removal of SH killed two birds with one stone-- increased world safety and liberating a people from tyranny.

Can you evidence how the Iraq war has brought about “increased world safety”?

The threat of WMD falling into the hands of terrorists via SH is gone.

Should that read “The invented threat of WMD falling... “?

No.

OK. What was the threat then?

  
  
   The threat of continued mass extermination of innocent Iraqis at the hands of SH is gone.

Now the mass graves in Iraq are Bush’s making... and that of his rabid supporters.

Add up body counts if you want to play the numbers game. US colateral civilian damage vs SH slaughter total.

OK. Show me that SH’s ‘kill rate’ in the year before the war was greater than the time since.

  
  
   The word is out to terrorists and those who would sponsor terrorism-- the days of impotent UN sanctions and resolutions are gone-- we mean business, and we aren’t afraid to act; offensively if necessary.

But you are afraid to think. You should think about why the threat exists.


  
<snip> OT comment.
  
  
And if we hadn’t taken the fight to the terrorists, do you honestly believe that the US would have gone almost 4 years without a follow-up attack from OBL? If so, you are deluding yourself.

Everything I’ve read about the 911 attackers leads me to feel they may have been a bunch of incompetent twits that outwitted another bunch of incompetent twits in the USA and Germany.


  
  
Perhaps if Washington had defended freedom more before 2001, 911 would never have happened. Think about that… if you dare.

All I come up with is Clinton not responding to repeated OBL attacks. Thank God Bush had the courage to finally confront the issue of global terrorism seriously.

You mean after Bush was caught nappin’? ;)


Scott A



  
JOHN



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(...) <snipping> (...) Yes. Point? <snip> (...) Who knows? I know he aided and abetted terrorists. Whether they were the actually ones involved in terrorism against the US is anyone's guess. The point is that he was a friend of terrorism and an (...) (19 years ago, 31-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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(...) The ones the UN believed that he hadn't destroyed. (...) What about them? (...) Figures you'd cite someone like Woodward. <yawn> (...) If? That, again, is merely your uninformed opinion. (...) I don't care if he got them from Uranus, it (...) (19 years ago, 28-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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