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Re: Repost, for the benefit of those on newsreaders
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Sat, 28 May 2005 15:56:43 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Thomas Stangl wrote:
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Have it your way, Burger King, but I still say it is a waste of time and
energy. Dems should be focusing on the future fate of their party, because
it is a mess from my viewpoint.
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So in other words you have no problem with a voting system that is rigged?
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That’s my whole point, Tom! The election wasn’t rigged, for pete’s sake!
Why is it that every time the Dems loose it must be due to fraud? Deal with
reality! Dems should be more worried that their party has been hijacked by
Lefty wackos like Howard Dean MM and George Soros. That is the problem.
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On the contrary--the problem facing the Democratic party is that it has too long
embraced a policy of placating the Republicans in the hope of catching some
right-leaning moderates. As a result, the party has compromised its identity.
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It is NOT a waste of time and energy to track down voting fraud, as it will
make it harder to do the same in the future.
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But it is a waste of time and energy to look for something that simply isn’t
there, which apparently is easier than accepting the painful truth that
America is more and more rejecting the Democratic party.
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On what basis, other than the assertion of devoted Conservatives, do you
conclude that nothing is there? Do you have some evidence, or are you taking
their assertion on faith because it meshes with your preferences?
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to the detainees (who’ve been held without documented
justificaation and tortured),
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I trust that any treatment given to detainees is either better than they
deserve or justly deserved, and thus won’t apologize to them.
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That’s pure witnessing, and it assumes a moral authority that the United States
never had to begin with, much less now.
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The United States of America.
It is what it is.
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Such a stunning non-answer.
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Really? Perhaps you would like to define it, if you can (if it’s even
possible). I meant what I said: whatever our culture is at the moment, that
is what it is. I don’t know how else to describe it.
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That’s asinine. You declared in your previous post that Arabs hate our culture,
and yet you now declare that our culture can’t be defined beyond an impotent “is
what it is” legalistic orwellism. That speaks of a self-serving fatalism in
which “they” will always hate “us,” so that we might as well keep on killing
them.
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It is a war of values. Other nations oppose Capitalism, but mostly they
oppose our values. I object to the alarming loss of values in our
country. But I work to instill and restore good values, not incinerate
those with whom I disagree.
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Your beloved President engaged in a policy of civilian incineration during the
seige of Falujah, so your grandstanding here is both irrelevant and poorly
timed. Additionally, since you claim that our culture can’t be defined (yet you
are willing to claim that we are hated for it), would you care to define our
values? Not your values, and not my values, but our values--what are
they, again?
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Again with the fraud. It’s interesting-- I remember Dems talking about
Diebold fraud months before the election. Forget it, Tom. It’s a canard. I
am trying to give you some good advice, but I know that you will never accept
the truth because it is simply too painful. Why else cling to the notion
without tangible evidence so tenaciously?
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John, this statement is uncharacteristically arrogant of you--what’s going on
here?
You simply are not in a position to absolve Diebold of guilt, and--since Diebold
is on record declaring that it would “give Ohio” to the President, the
burden is on Diebold, with its absolute secrecy and nonexistent accountability,
to demonstrate that no wrongdoing occurred. Until this is demonstrated,
suspicions about Diebold’s role in the election are justified.
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I disagree with your assertment that the situation is a “disaster”, because
it isn’t a “disaster”, and the impetus is on you to show that it is,
because it is your claim.
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1500+ US soldiers
10s of 1000s of Iraqis
hundreds of billions of $
all gone in that quagmire. And you don’t call it a disaster?
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No, Tom. What I call a disaster is a nuke denotated in either LA or NYC or
both. Your list above looks like chump change by comparison.
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Irrelevant. Hussein was known not to possess nuclear weapons, and everything we
know about him indicates that, if he’d had them, he would not have given
them to terrorists out of his control. You’re simply parroting the party’s
talking points about Saddam-shaped mushroom clouds, and it’s still a deliberate
falsehood.
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We will hemhorrage money until we’re bankrupt, if idiots like Bush continue
to make it into office. How we can be so arrogant as to think we can’t be
spent into the ground like the USSR was, is beyond me.
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We can’t afford not to throw everything we have at terrorism at this
juncture in order to thwart the unthinkable in the future.
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That’s foolish. In terms of lives lost, the spread of HIV is a far greater
problem in the US and elsewhere, yet the money spend on research for a cure is
nary a pittance next to the obsence sums handed over to defense contractors.
Even if the goal is to combat the source of terrorism, then killing even a
million terrorists would be futile, as long as the source remains. As such, we
will continue to hemhorrage money until we as a nation recognize that Dubya’s
strategy is entirely ill-suited to the task at hand.
Dave!
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