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Subject:	Re: We're being attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of culture!
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Mon, 11 Apr 2005 14:55:47 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:

But my point is that science cannot ever address creation because it fundamentally defies logic. God and Event#1 are synonymous. Creation demands a leap of faith.

On that, I concur completely. It’s a leap I’m not able to make, but I agree that it’s central to accepting creationism as an explanation.

I think you misunderstood me. I meant that the origin of the universe (however it came to be) demands a leap of faith. At some point, logically, something came from nothing. I don’t believe it is valid to simply state that “the universe always existed”-- this isn’t a valid scientific hypothesis, but a dodge.

This is dangerously close to “quote mining,”

I did not know that. I had read about dark matter and was shocked when I heard the percentage, and I just stumbled upon the quotation. I don’t hold it up as any sort of “proof”; only to illustrate that we know a lot less than we think.

Oh, I know that.

Heck, I think I know a whole lot less than you probably think I think.

:-)

<snip>

No, as I mentioned elsewhere, “wisdom” is a better word IMO. I should go look up the Hebrew word; maybe later.

I think I’m lost. Do you mean that the quote should be read as “respect of God is the beginning of wisdom” or am I misreading you?

No, that is exactly what I meant.

Well, you gotta believe in something, and I believe I need to go to work;-)

See? You’re obviously willing to believe anything. I’m sure that your tightwad knucklehead of a boss would be willing to let you hang out on LUGNET a little while longer... 8^)

Ah, see, my first chance to respond is almost 2 weeks later, Dave! (Although most of it was spent skiing in Colorado:-)

JOHN

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		Re: We're being attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of culture!
(...) I don't think I'd consider it a dodge, really. My own thought on it is that there's no such thing as "first". The concept of time is just a perception you have that appears linear. I happen to think it's more circular in nature, without a real (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

		Re: We're being attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of culture!
(...) Science doesn't need to answer question for which it doesn't have enough evidence to address. According to the Big Bang Theory, one cannot ask what caused the Big Bang or where the Big Band came from, because (according to the theory), all (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: We're being attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of culture!
(...) On that, I concur completely. It's a leap I'm not able to make, but I agree that it's central to accepting creationism as an explanation. (...) Oh, I know that. Heck, I think I know a whole lot less than you probably think I think. (...) Fair (...) (19 years ago, 31-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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