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Re: We're being attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of culture!
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Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:40:26 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
This attitude is, unfortunately, exactly at the heart of the problem.  It is
abhorrent that anyone suggests that the mythology of Creationism (under
whatever label) should be taught alongside a scientific theory so thoroughly
confirmed that no actual scientist has reason to doubt it.

Eh, I think the counterargument goes that 1) what *you* call an "actual"
scientist doesn't necessarily match what others might call an "actual" scientist
2) why should this be classified as "science"? Calling it "history" might be
what creationists would deem it, rather than "science".

But even so, creationism *does* have "proof". Just not nearly as much as
evolution has. And not enough to convince me or you. I don't think I'd argue to
teach it in classrooms, but I would argue to give it only limited attention.
There's all sorts of ins and outs to evolution. Inheritence, genes, which
animals developed along which lines, research Darwin did, etc. Lots of stuff to
fill up a couple weeks for a class. Creationism? Maybe a day worth of material?
I guess you could stretch it further, but I'd advocate some proportionally lower
amount of time for teaching it.

Science is not a pick-and-choose proposition, and even to frame the issue as
choosing “which theory to believe” is to demonstrate a catastrophic
misunderstanding.

That actually sounds rather right-wing. I'm all for giving people a choice.
Teach kids creationism, and they can see firsthand why it's not as good of a
theory as evolution. If they see all the proof and STILL go for creationism,
then that's their decision. Are you advocating that they should believe
evolution just because you believe it's correct? IE that they shouldn't get a
choice in what to think? Are you worried that kids won't judge the theories
accurately, or are you worried because there's an option you think is invalid?
Or perhaps because there's an option, period?

DaveE



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  Re: We're being attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of culture!
 
(...) You're attempting to repaint the issue along purely semantic rather than functional or philosophical lines, and thereby you're casting your vote in favor of creationism. An actual scientist is someone who practices actual science, as opposed (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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(...) This attitude is, unfortunately, exactly at the heart of the problem. It is abhorrent that anyone suggests that the mythology of Creationism (under whatever label) should be taught alongside a scientific theory so thoroughly confirmed that no (...) (20 years ago, 30-Mar-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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