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Re: Leaks (was Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand...
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Thu, 6 Feb 2003 05:08:46 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> What I do have a problem with is,, contrary to your ideas of the
> intelligence agency and what may happen, is that you give the info to those
> that need it--the inspectors need it. Yes they need more co-operation from
> Iraq--I'll never whitewash that...
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> What I (and so many others) could read into this is--
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> America wants the war over and above any way of obtaining a peaceful resolution.
I think Bush will be quite happy to see Saddam ousted from within. He also
may be amenable to seeing him accept voluntary exile. But Bush has decided
for whatever reason that he wants Saddam gone, and has no problem with the
war route (ah, for the days when warriors led their armies from the front -
it's so easy to be brave from your bunker while others die).
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> They don't want to give the inspectors more time
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> They don't want to give the inspectors info that'll help the inspectors find
> and eliminate WoMD, so we can 'find a smoking gun' therefore opening the
> door to invasion.
Ya know, I really don't need to have the inspectors to be reasonably sure
that Saddam can deliver gas attacks. The only question is it worth
bothering with? Bush thinks the answer is yes, while many others try to
disguise that they think the answer is no. That's what this whole
inspection game is about: allowing the foot-draggers to disguise their no.
I'd wish they'd just be honest and say as long as his neighbors are saying
don't bother, why should we?
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> > Apparently the US needs to rub the world's nose in it over and over before
> > certain apologists admit the truth. The UN is worthless. The leadership of
> > France and Germany are apparently also worthless. This just proves it yet again.
(to sneak in an answer to Larry) They don't have any backbone. But then
again, maybe in this particular instance they simply have more common sense.
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> Some may think the UN is worthless--I was once told to hold a dollar bill in
> my hand--what makes it worth a dollar? It's not gold--it's just a piece of
> paper. One time in 'ancient history' the bill was directly equated to gold,
> but now it's a collective agreement, a collective support, that makes the
> dollar worth one buck.
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> The UN will have power if we support the UN, if we support their authority.
> I'd rather have a *United* agreement on what to do than to have *one*
> country unilaterally drag the rest of the world into a conflict that could
> have been resolved peacably.
I think we are far better off having world support. Remember Viet Nam,
where we didn't?
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> Furthermore, since I'm on a rant, whilst the inspectors are doing their job
> they are interfering with whatever ulterior plans that Saddam may have.
> While the inspectors are going from one side of the country to another, and
> in doing so, these locations of production are being set up and torn down,
> that will slow them down. Now if there's a war, Saddam can do whatever he
> pleases under *no* scrutiny. Again, me thinks that peace will be a better
> outcome for all involved.
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> But a country that throws out Kioto, ideas about international Courts, and
> other things, and yet holds up some piece of paper written in 1776 as a
> higher authority when today in their very streets people are dieing because
> of it... then I quite understand the narrow scope of judgement that
> Americans hold.
I think you would do better to stick to the international affairs since they
pertain to the subject rather than mixing in criticism of the
Constitution/Bill of Rights, which is the core concept of the US and will
probably side-track the dicussion.
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> Hey FBI guys, come spy on me for a while--I'll make you some nice lemon tea
> for your time sitting out there in your car.
FBI, internal, CIA, external. You, being on the external, will get CIA
spooks. FBI: serve lemon tea. CIA: serve screech (they'll probably like
it, though). :-)
-->Bruce<--
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