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Re: Leaks (was Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand...
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Thu, 6 Feb 2003 01:46:27 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> > So we want the Iraqis to comply, but the US is flagrantly disregarding 1441.
> > Now I understand the reasons the US thinks it has to defy the resolution,
> > but it just seems to me as vaguely hypocritical.
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> This is laughable. Really. WE are FLAGRANTLY disregarding the resolution?
> You've got to be kidding me.
Well, I'm not sure of the exact section (think 10) of 1441 paraphrased --
any country with info of WoMD must turn over that info to the inspectors for
confirmation...
I'd say that's pretty specific... And when I kid, I usually put a ;) after it.
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> They're inspectors, not detectives. The obligation is on the *Iraqis* to
> come clean, to open up, to PROVE they've disarmed. NOT on the inspectors to
> prove they didn't. It so happens that this proves, again, the Iraqis didn't.
> Just like Blix's report proved the Iraqis didn't. (and umpteen before them too)
Again, agreed--Iraq is no angel at all, and I have no doubt about the trucks
carrying stuff to make biological/chemical weapons that Powell laid out in
his presentation. I have no doubt about the plants that were cleared out
before the inspectors got there, and I have no difficulty with the idea that
we may need force to get these WoMD out of the country
What I do have a problem with is,, contrary to your ideas of the
intelligence agency and what may happen, is that you give the info to those
that need it--the inspectors need it. Yes they need more co-operation from
Iraq--I'll never whitewash that...
What I (and so many others) could read into this is--
America wants the war over and above any way of obtaining a peaceful resolution.
They don't want to give the inspectors more time
They don't want to give the inspectors info that'll help the inspectors find
and eliminate WoMD, so we can 'find a smoking gun' therefore opening the
door to invasion.
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> Apparently the US needs to rub the world's nose in it over and over before
> certain apologists admit the truth. The UN is worthless. The leadership of
> France and Germany are apparently also worthless. This just proves it yet again.
Some may think the UN is worthless--I was once told to hold a dollar bill in
my hand--what makes it worth a dollar? It's not gold--it's just a piece of
paper. One time in 'ancient history' the bill was directly equated to gold,
but now it's a collective agreement, a collective support, that makes the
dollar worth one buck.
The UN will have power if we support the UN, if we support their authority.
I'd rather have a *United* agreement on what to do than to have *one*
country unilaterally drag the rest of the world into a conflict that could
have been resolved peacably.
Furthermore, since I'm on a rant, whilst the inspectors are doing their job
they are interfering with whatever ulterior plans that Saddam may have.
While the inspectors are going from one side of the country to another, and
in doing so, these locations of production are being set up and torn down,
that will slow them down. Now if there's a war, Saddam can do whatever he
pleases under *no* scrutiny. Again, me thinks that peace will be a better
outcome for all involved.
But a country that throws out Kioto, ideas about international Courts, and
other things, and yet holds up some piece of paper written in 1776 as a
higher authority when today in their very streets people are dieing because
of it... then I quite understand the narrow scope of judgement that
Americans hold.
Hey FBI guys, come spy on me for a while--I'll make you some nice lemon tea
for your time sitting out there in your car.
/rant over ;)
Dave K
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