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Re: Leaks (was Re: Here's one of the many things I don't understand...
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Thu, 6 Feb 2003 00:57:22 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> > > > You really mean give it to the UN so they can leak it...
> > >
> > > Leak it to the inspectors, yes.
> > >
> > > Leak it to the general media, prob'ly not.
> >
> > Neither. Leak it to the Iraqis.
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> Like I said, it's leaked. The US decided to present it anyway.
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> From commentary on today's presentation by Powell:
> http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-nichols020503.asp
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> " ... it's true that there was no single moment like that (Adlai Stevenson
> smoking gun): rather, there were several of them.
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> Iraqi commanders discussing the need to hide things from the inspectors.
> Orders to stop using the words "nerve agent." Photographs of chemical
> weapons being moved practically out from under the U.N.'s nose. Bulldozing a
> site — removing the "crust of the earth" itself, as Powell pointed out — to
> hide any possible trace of forbidden toxins. Corroborated information from
> al Qaeda detainees. A litany of stories from defectors detailing the
> existence of mobile-weapons factories. And proof that somehow, the Iraqis
> are being tipped off to inspections, exposing the whole sad business as the
> farce it always was."
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> Complete transcript from the State Department website:
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> http://usinfo.state.gov/cgi-bin/washfile/display.pl?p=/products/washfile/latest&f=03020544.tlt&t=/products/washfile/newsitem.shtml
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> So then, we have a dichotomy:
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> EITHER
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> - the evidence presented is real, and the inescapable conclusion is that
> Iraq has no intention of disarming and is clear and flagrant violation of
> all the numerous UN resolutions since well before it invaded Kuwait.
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> OR
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> - the evidence presented isn't real, it's faked, or misconstrued and Powell
> either is a dupe or is in on the whole charade too, and maybe Iraq is
> cheating and maybe it isn't.
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> The latter (minus the "maybe they're cheating" part) is what the Iraqis are
> claiming... Reading some of your posts, and Duq's and others, it's what
> you're apparently claiming too. I'm not a big fan of my government. I know
> they fake stuff all the time. But this time I believe them rather than the
> Iraqis.
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> The inspections are a sham and a waste of time and are not going to
> accomplish anything other than dragging this out interminably if allowed to
> proceed.
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> But should we go to war over it, here and now? Na....
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> Me, I'm rooting for this entire escapade to completely destroy whatever
> shreds of credibility the UN has left. It's going pretty good so far.
My point was, as some folks pointed out in rebuttal to Powell's
presentation, is that the US should turn over info to the inspectors. Yes
the Iraqis should do more to accomodate the inspection process, but just by
showing us that the US had this info before today, the US is in violation of
1441.
So we want the Iraqis to comply, but the US is flagrantly disregarding 1441.
Now I understand the reasons the US thinks it has to defy the resolution,
but it just seems to me as vaguely hypocritical.
I will state emphatically that the Iraqis are untrustworthy when they say
they have no WoMD (oh I heard that sooooo many times today on CNN...) and
that I do believe that, unless something dramatic changes with Saddam, we,
as a coalition of allies, will be walking into that country soon.
I pray for the 'dramatic changes', however.
Mayhaps, as some folks hypothesized on CNN, some generals, or others high up
in the Iraqi army, will overthrow the regime when they see the Allied Army
on their doorstep.
We can only hope.
Dave K
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