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Re: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing"
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Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:20:35 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ed Jones writes:
> > Sorry, but your opinion on this subject carries no water for me. Ever.
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> Well, that's probably as overstated as Larry's original point.
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> I think Larry's more general point is how information is fed to one
> subliminally through various media, and how often people do not put the
> source of the information under much scrutiny -- not for overall honesty,
> not for political bias, and not even for factual accuracy.
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> And while persons like yourself do not need to have such simple things
> explained to them, do recall that you live amongst a population of people
> whose general literacy, education, and understanding does not probably reach
> to your level.
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> Wasn't there a study suggesting that most people get their political
> information from The Tonight Show? I mean, that's pathetic.
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> -- Hop-Frog
As I may have mentioned before, we have to look at, struggle with, refute,
and generally deal with the *issues*, and not the person. Larry's point was
that he would never accept ideas and concepts coming from the idiot box, or
specifically TWW, and that's his opinion. My opinion is that writing off
TWW becaouse you don't like what it says is 'throwing the baby out with the
bathwater'.
My dad never appreciated Star Trek, but he did watch "A Private Little War"
with me when I was younger, and we had a great discussion that continued for
weeks about how it reflected the Vietnam war and such.
As well, writing off someones POV just because you don't like the person is
equally wrong--it smacks of elitism, which is just shy of bigotry and
racism--"*You* don't matter, therefore your opinion does not matter."
And my rebuttal was, and still is, what does it matter where an idea, point,
or issue came from? If the point is right, Just and honourable, who cares
who said it? To nitpick about who said what detracts from dealing with the
real issues--Sure Babs got the source of the quote wrong--who cares?? Does
the quotation work? Is her idea of what's going on valid? If so, thanks to
Babs for standing up and actually speaking her opinion and standing behind
it. If not, why not? Deal with the issue. Attacking the person or finding
out that the source was not right, still does not refute the point that was
actually said, and the point still stands.
It's getting 'niggly' with the issue--it detracts from the real problems and
only does harm and in the end, no one wins.
Well, this is all just my humble opinion.
Dave K.
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| (...) Yeah, that is probably an overly broad statement. About the Caesar quote... The importance of getting the cite and who said it correctly has to do with a rhetorical technique called an appeal to authority. The person making the quote is (...) (22 years ago, 4-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Well, that's probably as overstated as Larry's original point. I think Larry's more general point is how information is fed to one subliminally through various media, and how often people do not put the source of the information under much (...) (22 years ago, 3-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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