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Re: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing"
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:25:41 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> It's akin to thinking that, "Aha! I caught you! I have 'knocked the legs
> out from under you' by showing that your quotation comes from a different
> source!" Well, no, you just demonstrated that I have faulty research, the
> quotation is still standing out there, with it's "own legs", waiting to be
> refuted.
But if we're talking about gun control and you say "in 1780, Jefferson wrote x
in a letter to the Virginia assembly about the meaning of militia" and it turns
out that the quote was actually written by Sarah Brady in 1989, the quotation
is not "still standing out there." It's sunk! Sarah Brady doesn't get an
opinion (unless of course, we can show that she has taken care to research it
and is presenting her findings).
Quotations don't exist in a vacuum. The author, the times, the entire context
from which the quotation is pulled is part of the chain of support that makes
the appeal to authority valuable. That's the whole reason that we do appeal to
those of perceived wisdom or special knowledge rathern than Moe the bartender.
Chris
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Message has 3 Replies:
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| (...) That's a *fantastic* example, and it dovetails nicely with my point in an earlier debate. Mike P is now off the hook for using the false Brady quote: "Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us are (...) (22 years ago, 4-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: John Leo's opinion of "The West Wing"
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| (...) And, again I agree that appealling to those more intelligent and well versed than ourselves to aid in our defense of a particular point can be a good thing. But if Moe the bartender said something poignant, insightful and relevant to the (...) (22 years ago, 4-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) And I agree with everything you have stated above, and I love to find someone who is 'smarter than me' to cite. I would add, however, if I get the source wrong, and the source is refuted, it in no way diminishes what the point was, it just (...) (22 years ago, 4-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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