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Re: Customs question...
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 14 Nov 2001 05:32:17 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton writes:
> > > But you would probably argue that you are *moral*, while dishonest, or at
> > > least "not immoral", I'm guessing? Or at least that you would argue that one
> > > could *be* dishonest (by marking "gift") and yet still be moral, even though
> > > maybe you're not in this case?
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> > No, I would argue that it is *not* dishonest to lie to someone or something
> > that has first lied to me. Which is why I put "honest" in quotes because the
> > definition of honesty that would require me to sacrifice myself at the whim
> > of a government in answering a question that is none of their business, is
> > not one I accept.
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> So it's only being honest when the other person hasn't lied to you? What if
> you don't *know* that they've lied to you? Or that you don't know that they
> *haven't* lied to you? Nah, I completely disagree. If someone's been
> dishonest to you and you lie right back in their face, you're equally
> dishonest. Just because they were dishonest to you doesn't absolve you of
> the ability to be dishonest.
I think the problem here is the definition of "honest". It doesn't only cover
truth (and lies). Check out the dictionary.com definition:
hon·est (adj).
1. Marked by or displaying integrity; upright: an honest lawyer.
2. Not deceptive or fraudulent; genuine: honest weight.
3. Equitable; fair: honest wages for an honest day's work.
4.
a) Characterized by truth; not false: honest reporting.
b) Sincere; frank: an honest critique.
5.
a) Of good repute; respectable.
b) Without affectation; plain: honest folk.
6. Virtuous; chaste.
Only (2) and (4a) refer (directly) to truth.
ROSCO
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| (...) Alright, I blame English. I've always thought of it as being truthful. I don't usually equate it with virtuous other than to say that I think honesty is generally virtuous. If that's how Larry's interpreting it, 'sok by me. I'll just have to (...) (23 years ago, 14-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) So it's only being honest when the other person hasn't lied to you? What if you don't *know* that they've lied to you? Or that you don't know that they *haven't* lied to you? Nah, I completely disagree. If someone's been dishonest to you and (...) (23 years ago, 14-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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