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Subject:	Re: One of my issues with the god of the old testament
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Wed, 14 Nov 2001 05:29:57 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: > http://www.thereverend.com/brick_testament/the_tower_of_babel/gn11_07.html > Please! What sort of god thwarts his people out of spite? Not my sort. Okay, this is a troll, but I'll bite, since Larry's my chum... Spite? Hardly. Larry, the picture is taken out of context. Presented by itself, yes, it depicts a spiteful god. However, so would a picture depicting only the scene of a parent disciplining a child. No, you need context. The people of the world were prideful, and attempted to construct the tower in their efforts to physically reach heaven. Such a plan would have defeated the entire plan of creation, and so the Lord stopped their efforts. The method described in Genesis was to confound their speech and scatter them across the world. Understanding that this is all from 9 verses in the book of Genesis; within the same chapter more than 20 verses are dedicated to lineages. (2) It is probably safe to assume, given that the Bible is true in as much as it is correctly translated (1), that the whole story was not included in the book of Genesis. The document this story is from is literally THOUSANDS of years old. I'm willing to bet that something was lost along the way. Any takers? Then there's the God-works-in-mysterious-ways aspect. Perhaps this was a clever ploy to get people to populate the entire world, and engage in more productive activity (such as not building towers of dubious purpose). By breaking the global link of language, people would have been prone to form smaller local communities. So viewing the action as both a punitive and a progressive measure, I can hardly call the actions spite. You want spite, you should probably check out the Book of Job. Cheers, - jsproat 1. ...and I do personally believe that King James translation of the Bible is MOSTLY correct... 2. FWIW: http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=37049

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		Re: One of my issues with the god of the old testament
(...) Don't you mean "this is a trawl" ... ? OW OW OW OW OWWWW MY HEAD LFB FUT-> you know where (23 years ago, 14-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: One of my issues with the god of the old testament
(...) Once the tower was, constructed was the plan not to shoot an arrow at God? But I agree with you, the story I remember is that God causes confusion in the tower workers by creating the language barriers – this was more to stop the tower (...) (23 years ago, 14-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: One of my issues with the god of the old testament
(...) In that case, it's even more absurd than spiteful. Did God really think they'd reach Heaven? If so, then why doesn't he smite every satellite we launch? And if not, why didn't he let them try--and fail--since that would be a much more (...) (23 years ago, 14-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: One of my issues with the god of the old testament
(...) I would rather it were "mostly harmless". =) -- Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 14-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: One of my issues with the god of the old testament
(...) Some people think that parents discipline children out of spite coupled with ignorance. The idea is that since they were hurt by their parents, they can't bear to inspect the notion that it wasn't actually beneficial for them...that instead it (...) (23 years ago, 17-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		One of my issues with the god of the old testament
is illustrated here: (URL) What sort of god thwarts his people out of spite? Not my sort. Brick Testament is absolutely gorgeous work and I think the Rev is to be commended for some very very well done models and pages. Bravo! But I can tell you (...) (23 years ago, 14-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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