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Re: Thinking Out Loud...
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Sat, 22 Sep 2001 01:19:08 GMT
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Ross Crawford wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> > So you concede that it is likely that one or more passengers did in fact
> > attack, then?
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> As I said, it was more likely a charge - remember they were probably weaponless
> - whether they were intending to hurt the hijackers is anyone's guess. My aim
> in their position would be (if I had time to think about it):
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> 1. Try and get control of the plane from them, or
> 2. Try to distract the "pilot" enough so he can't get them to their intended
> destination.
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> Both of these can be acheived without violence. Whether they were or not is
> unknown.
This is one of the most ridiculous statements I've seen on this whole topic.
Without violence? How ludicrous! "Please Mr. Terrorist, can I have control of the
plane?" "Why sure you can, good man, here you go"
Passive resistance taking a plane back from terrorists that took a plane by
force???
THINK, man!
> > I grant that we may never know for certain, but submit that
> > the evidence is very strongly pointing in that direction.
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> > Therefore the passenger or passengers who did in fact attack (the "heroes",
> > as I put it)are not pacifists.
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> By all reports there were several passengers involved. Some may have been
> intent on hurting the hijackers, others may have had similar aims to those
> above. Are those who didn't intend violence (if any) any less heroes?
No, they aren't. And I doubt anyone would say they were not. But it took ACTION
to stop that plane.
I haven't seen anyone here mention yet that Todd Beamer was something like a 3rd
level blackbelt. I can't remember the exact specifics, but he WAS well trained.
Good thing, since evidently many of the terrorists had been taking self-defense
courses.
> > There is no way to "attack" and be a
> > "pacifist". The terms are incompatible.
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> If you assume they intended violence, of course you can prove they're not
> pacifists.
1 - they knew other planes had been used as weapons
2 - at least one of 4 men, Todd Beamer, told his wife on the phone that they were
going to "do something"
3 - an Airphone was still on as Todd Beamer got up from his seat, and screams were
heard soon after
4 - the plane crashed, and NOT in DC
THINK. Start your brain up and THINK.
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