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(...) Perhaps. If either is proven false in some measure, and they likewise refuse to modify their positions, then, yes, they are bed-fellows. (...) Perhaps I did not clearly express my attitude in these comments: I mean that we as humans should (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here again, the problem is that literalists assert that The Bible *is* beyond reasonable criticism. (...) Agreed. Let us assert for the record that the so-called "Bible Code" is equally nonsensical and without meaningful predictive value. (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) IMO, the issue of interpretation and translations and so forth is, at a fundamental level, very simple: Reasonable, well-intentioned, well-informed, open-minded inquiry is a root necessity of any fruitful scholarly, literary, scientific, (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's been a while since I heard a Highlander reference. Weren't they going to relase yet another redundant sequel? There Should Have Been Only One. Dave! (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I have heard this story too but it's hard to believe! I could swear I hear him say that phrase. I do remember a SNL skit during the 1980 Presidential Campaign where they put Jesse Jackson in the hot seat with a big red nuclear launch button. On one (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Rabid evolutionist, eh? Is that the same as an ignorant creationist? (...) That's an interesting way of summing up centuries of painstaking research, experiments, observation and learning that has helped mankind gain a greater and more (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not a nitpick at all, and I think you're right. My point is that according to the then-current "literal" interpretation (and, admittedly, the teachings of Aristotle), the Earth was the center. Maybe my beef should be with Aristotle, (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's not a nitpick at all, and I think you're right. My point is that according to the then-current "literal" interpretation (and, admittedly, the teachings of Aristotle), the Earth was the center. Maybe my beef should be with Aristotle, (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) See: The Drake Equation. Insert variables, and calculate! I remember a magnificent Asimov story that most recently appeared in one of the two 'complete stories' volumes. I can't recall the title, but the gist was this: We've been receiving (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hah! Where's my black turtleneck and tweed sport jacket? Dan (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) brief (...) Notice, however, that in the title was "1863-1953." Measurements of the time it took the sun to travel past the prime meridian were recorded at the Greenwich Observatory since the early 1800's (1). Calculations were made to convert (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's something my brother Ken wrote that pertains to the subject... Food for thought. --Ryan "Many have made reference to facts of science, etc, or understanding of the universe, as if they speak a definite, proven message. But, indeed, they (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Regarding this subject of cruelty of so-called Christians to the indians, here's an interesting article about the Pilgrims in America. (URL) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (yawn-----smack, smack----scratch) Like I said, the misquote came after the "Cosmos" series because of the WAY Sagan overpronounced the "B" in "billions." You'll never find any recorded proof he said it before "Cosmos" either because he just (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why? (...) The Bible also says in Proverbs that "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, and the glory of man to seek it out." God gave us the faculties of reasoning, inquisitiveness, and creativity, but our arts, science, and industry has (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A few other basic problems with the literality of the Bible: - Which translation? - How do you reconcile the apparent contradictions? Would someone care to list them (I'm affraid I'm not a student of the Bible and therefore can't list them all (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: For centuries the "literal (...) One nitpick(1): I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the Bible never says that the earth is the center of the universe. I think that, at best, this idea is (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ryan, I don't presume to question your Faith, but for a number of reasons your position on the nature of text isn't entirely supportable. If, for instance, even a single snippet of The Bible is found to be not literally true, then the literal (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ryan Farrington writes: Other questions also arise, casting doubt (...) Which neatly sums up the corner fundamentalists paint themselves into. The Bible is the literal word of God, no interpreting (which variation of (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Keep it up, and we'll mount a jihad against your slanderous ilk! I saw him speak at PSU a few years ago before a disappointingly small audience. During that presentation he did not say "billions and billions." Surely my experience of Dr. Sagan (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dave Low: (...) The thing is, I believe the Bible to be literal truth about the universe! So in that case, I never will stop believing the Bible. I believe the Bible is the word of God, written by the hands of men, under the inspiration and (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey! I'm not the apologist, I'm the vile accuser hell-bent to destroy Dr. Sagan's memory! :-) Bruce (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's pretty sage advice. Who can I Contact? Cheers, - jsproat (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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(...) Perhaps this very issue, based on the testimony of one apologist who can by his own admission present no hard evidence for his claims, will result in a new religion. Saganity, perhaps. Death to the billions and billions of heretics who oppose (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heard him say it. Wasn't recorded. Doesn't mean I'm wrong or that Dr. Sagan remembered it. Gosh, you are taking this personally. Bruce (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is a good point; in terms of colonization, the Spanish had a more overtly religious tone to the economic exploitation. An interesting irony is that while the Spanish often used divine right as a justification, they also, over the course (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If aliens are anything like humans, we may be in big trouble! Dan (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Ryan, This isn't exactly what Selçuk asked, but it's a similar sort of question. Most scientists think about the world in terms of falsifiable theories, rather than beliefs as such. So here's my question: Under what circumstances would you (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (yawn) Sagan wrote in his book "Billions and Billions" that the phrase is not part of his speech and vocabulary. Ever the scientist, the guy even carefully researched his work, his videos and interviews to find one instance of him using that (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Having heard him say it even before Cosmos was made, I can attest he did use the phrase on occasion. Bruce (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Simple question: Was the Vatican a political and economic power during the conquest of the Americas? You know the answer. (...) You are inferring more than what I wrote. The fact remains that Christianity came down like an iron fist on the (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, I think I follow you here: If you mean to say that Sagan was correctly quoted in initially using the phrase "billions and billions," then that is false. If you mean that Sagan later said "billions and billions" after the fact of being (...) (24 years ago, 5-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *sings* "We'll make great pets, we'll make great pets!" :^D ~1st Lieutenant, Fleebnork Division Muffin Head (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Were I in the debate, that'd be exactly my point :) 'Course then we'd be on to defining morality which is my little pet topic, so I'd better steer clear :) (...) By my book, not *necessarily*, though I would argue that it probably was indeed (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Daniel: In the spirit of avoiding sweeping generalizations that due a disservice to one's arguments, I believe that your statements above need clarification. I'll not excuse the atrocities committed in the name of religion, but a great deal (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I minored in Geology, so most of my knowledge on the subject came from hardcore geology texts. You might want to look in used book stores for the Time-Life series on Geology. Not up-to-date, I'd imagine, but they are far more involved than an (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Don't you agree, however, that's a broad assumption based on an even more broad definition of sin? Keep in mind that sin is relative to a culture, not a hard and fast rule to all cultures and creatures. Eating pork is a sin for Hebrews and (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, so it's just like computer programming! :-, (...) Got it, thanks for the example. (...) I've done this, at least with World Book (I read this thoroughly when I was youger :-) and Encarta (blech) and a couple of other brands. They just (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please reconcile what you just admited he said with what I said. :-) Bruce (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, not true. Sagan was misquoted and that's just a plain fact. The only time he actually said "billions and billions" was after the misquote became a trademark (not what Sagan wanted, but what the hell) and he would say it at conferences (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is a rather large subject that I could only cover here in the briefest possible manner. In part, a number of techniques may be combined as double-checks: Known decay rates of radiactivity - Carbon-14 is the best known but there are a (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bruce (or anyone else, really :-), I have a question related to this, it's something I've pondered on but no teacher I've had could answer to my satisfaction, and it's one that I am honestly curious about and will welcome any answer that I can (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Basic bad science. Unwarranted extrapolation of evidence over a very brief period. It's kind of like watching the tide going out, walking away, and declaring the seas will dry up in a year, without any understanding of the ocean's (or sun's) (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. I wish that I could remember the date, but I have a Scientific American that deals with the topic of alien contact, and how it may be to our peril if and when it happens. If the predator/prey relationship is universal, then we may be a (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ryan: I don't know that I should weigh in on this issue, but here goes: I also am a Christian. I consider myself orthodox insofar as orthodox is not solely an institution of past precedent, but an on-going function of the body of believers to (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you've pointed out the two big "ifs" in that reasoning. There is no evidence that the shrinkage of the sun is linear, is one-directional, or is constant over time, so such reasoning isn't really useful for deducing the behavior of the (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sorry, Selçuk, but I don't understand what exactly you are asking. Could you please rephrase it? BTW, I'm a seventeen-year-old college student. Thanks, --Ryan (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) agrees (...) Studies done by astronomer John Eddy and mathematician Aram Boornazian in the 1970's proved that the sun is shrinking. They reported that the sun is shrinking at a rate of ten miles (16 km) per year. (Eddy, J. A. and Boornazian, (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When Adam sinned, He incurred the punishment for sin: "in the day that you eat from it [the forbidden tree] you shall surely die" (Genesis 2:17). Adam did not drop dead then, but the biological tendency to die started working and nine hundred (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was exaggerating for effect, of course. But yes, he did say billions and billions on occasion. Bruce (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, and it remains a landmark series and definitely worth renting (I think there are 9 episodes). The public library AV department in my town had the video series in their PBS section, maybe yours does too. I don't know if places like (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ryan, could you please inform us about your profession/occupation? Just wondering. I never think that science is a matter of "beliefs", so I just wanted to learn which "facts" do you have under your "scientific belief", and how can you obtain (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm....I should probably clarify, my bad. I believe there is a certain amount of courtesy which should be practiced and given out for free, such as holding doors open for the person behind you, not parking directly in front of a guy whose (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm tryin to keep things as cool as possible, if any serious debate starts over it I'm not going to get involved, there's no need. To me this group is just a fun place to yammer back and forth over stuff that probably isn't taken too (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. Being at least somewhat courteous is an implicit requirement in the ToS here. Even to darn fools that you do not respect. ++Lar (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No matter what the result is, there will always be someone eager to: Misinterpret it. Fake it. Believe it happened according to his own pet theory. Robert (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, I'm not interested in getting into your other debate, but I disagree with your opinion on this point. I think that is *exactly* the *difference* between courtesy & respect - one is given freely, the other is earned. ROSCO (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's probably using the reference header to sort them instead of the subject. Just out of curiosity, what news reader are you using? Seems odd that it should randomly put spaces into the subject line. o_O (...) Gee, PKB lames, have ye reached (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just try & cool it Robert. It may sound like that to you, but yours is only one opinion. (...) No, some may have followed your links - that doesn't imply they know who you are. ROSCO (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Uh, excuse your stupidity, but after doing it just once, one should be able to tell it breaks the thread apart...unless they're just blind or stupid, and I sure as heck wouldn't ever call Jennifer stupid. I mean if you're having such a (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They did a show about him on the Biography channel, it was quite good. They showed some of the SNL takes and such. Aparently the "Cosmos" series was one of the biggest it public television history. Robert (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, not really. (...) You make it sound as if I've gone to some great length to hide my identity. A couple weeks ago I posted some links to pictures of some of my models, two new, and one old. So anyone following my work would obviously know (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 100% not true. Actually, it was the WAY Sagan said "billions" that got him into trouble. When he did the "Cosmos" TV series, Sagan over pronounced the "B" in billions so that it wouldn't sound like "millions." It was so noticable that people (...) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) old: (...) And I thought it was nice when NASA named the Mars lander after him (URL) (24 years ago, 4-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Every other word out of his mouth was "billions and billions." He must have said it....billions and billions of times! Bruce (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...and, just to stay on this thread, did you know that William Shatner wrote a book called 'Get a Life!' after his infamous SNL appearance? Ahhh, self-reflection, isn't it grand? (Granted, Sagan was much more likeable than Shatner.) best (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Boy, shows how much *you* know about effortless fishing. The laziest method, of course, involves TNT. The shockwave does the work.[1] (...) A well-placed depth charge could have solved that whole problem. (Okay, you might not have ended up (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And they say that understated humour is lost on the Internet...;) (...) I'm not sure what's patriotic or not patriotic about any of that. Partisan, perhaps, and occasionally pedestrian. ;) best Lindsay (Besides, you can just look at the old (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh heh, did you know Sagan actually wrote a book by the same title? He was actually a funny guy, and poked a lot of fun at himself and that misquote that made him famous (the poor fella denied ever saying "billions and billions"). D-Man (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Billions and Billions! :^D ~1st Lieutenant, Fleebnork Division Muffin Head (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have a battered copy that I've read into decrepitude! I got it as a Christmas present many moons ago, and it was my first large-scale exposure to cosmology. I especially loved the little "Encyclopedia Galactica" snippets throughout. Good (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Greetings! I first read this book many, many years ago when I was 10 years old: (URL) read it again several times since and I always found it facinating. It is undoubtedly a powerhouse of knowledge and perspective on the universe and our place in (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nice! D-Man (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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The question of whether man is inherently good or evil is a loaded question becuase the concept of good and evil is purely subjective. For instance, one culture may view cannibalism as evil, but for the cannibals it's just part of their cultural (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ryan, I mean no disrespect to your beliefs, but you are in error regarding the age of the earth. This is not a spiritual matter and certainly not an issue of the many creation stories of various cultures. If your faith or personal spiritual (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) Lieutenant, Fleebnork Division Muffin Head (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Oh, no hard feelings, I grok you, I thought it was a pretty good try. :-, Most people, when they want a new discussion, tend to start a whole new thread, as it more or less completely separates the new discussion from the old. But the new (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lying on the shore with your hook in the water is the laziest. I've had the most success catching fish by trolling. Fly-fishing is the best fishing, except when the fish bother you by getting caught on your hook. The (2nd) bravest fishing I've (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right, now I know what you're on about (thanks Dave) I can comment. That isn't meant to incite an argument, the other bit is. That's meant to point out the futility of the previous debate so no one gives a monkey's when I try to change the (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Trolling is what you attempted immediately above: trolling for reactions on the internet rather than trolling for fish in a lake. A "strawman" is not a made-up term: from Encarta Dictionary, "unimportant issue or person: an issue or person of (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The reference is to maritime trolling -- the act of fishing by dropping your baited lines in the water and ignoring them for a few hours while you steer the boat. The idea is to let the fish do most of the work -- biting the hook and tiring (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right. Thanks. Is that 'common' as in 'used by the common folk?' by the way? No, must stop it. :) (...) I learned something today. Marvellous. Anyway, I just wanted to change the subject as I'm sick of this whole religion/flat earth/new (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Troll" is of course common Internet parlance for a person who posts in a manner apparently specifically intended to produce heated and emotional responses. "Straw Man" is a long-standing term for the rhetorical falacy of picking your (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "trolled", "strawman" - what language are you half-cut bunch of muppets using here anyway? So if you really want to make a good point in a debate, that no one can argue with, you just make up your own language to do it in - is that it? j450n (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well-put. I couldn't have trolled any better myself! Cheers, - jsproat (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Great site. (or is that cite?) Aside from the shredding of young earthliness, it's provided what may prove to be one of my favorite quotes: "Studying science doesn't make one a scientist any more than studying ethics makes one honest." James (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're right. It sucks. It's the easiest subject to fall into debating because there's always a good supply of whackos with way-out ideas to fire things up. Plus no-one's actually going to listen and change their views, and no-one's got any (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's...interesting. If I were busted for aggrivated attempted shoplifting and reckless driving, would my children be responsible for my actions? Would my great-great-grandchildren, then, have the task for paying my debt to society? Or is (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm again. So, if he's actually _trying_ to come across as a complete failure, and in that, he's a resounding success, which is he? Jason (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe this will help: (URL) Oops! My mistake; that site is a thorough refutation of Young Earth mythology. Dave! (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We've been through this all before. Quote me one established, reputable *scientific* journal (absolutely no spurious web sites, please) that agrees with your claim. This claim keeps popping up but there has never been an answer to my question. (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) make the moral choice not to commit evil? (...) us going to successfully fight our nature and become good?...what would be the point of creating a people who are inherently evil?" Here's what I believe, in light of the Bible. God did not (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While I am flattered by your attribution of devious directed obfuscation, unfortunately I must confess to not being as clever as all that in this matter - I've not knowingly changed the subject line in any of the messages I've replied to. That (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe the earth to be young, about six to ten thousand years old. There have been many scientists who have examined the fossil record and found it to fit just as well in the context of a young earth as in an old one. Also, there are (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) At this point a general warning should be given that in the near future Robert will likely announce that he has been playing a game with us to see how we'd react. I, for one, feel greatly privileged to have been a part of this bold and (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Does God have a name for God? (was: 20 Years of TLC's Frustration with "LEGOS")
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(...) [snip] (...) [snip] (...) [snip] (...) Hmmmm. Robert, you're really starting to sound like someone else who came around here temporarily a while back - what was his name? Matthew Boulton? I'd almost forgotten..... ROSCO (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Is Robert Bevens exceedingly obnoxious? (was: Does God have a name for God? (was: 20 Years...))
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In just a few days in lugnet.off-topic.debate, Robert Bevens: (...) Makes unwarranted assumptions about other posters' experience. (...) Is a smart-aleck about it. Also: Ignores substantive point on how annoying tit-for-tat arguments are. (...) (...) (24 years ago, 3-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good point about separating religious beliefs and the rest of one's being. While I don't think I have changed my religious views based on the direct religious debates, I have been convinced to change my views from a whole perspective. I am (...) (24 years ago, 2-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) At an offhand guess (because I don't usually partake in other online interfaces that are this open-ended [since we're lucky enough to have the off-topic newsgroup]), I think it's no more prevalant here than it would be elsewhere. Personally, I (...) (24 years ago, 2-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh goody. This debate is over. Next debate please... (24 years ago, 2-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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