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(...) No, there really doesn't seem to be much support in any quarter. And the remaining pro war camp is much quieter and harder to draw (apart from the determined political apologist rearguard, and the shrill cries of the mindless faithful), (...) (19 years ago, 27-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Please point me to where Resolution 114 mentions Iraqi freedom. That may (possibly, eventually) be a consequence, but it is NOT what Americans are dying for. ROSCO (19 years ago, 27-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Look, even Clinton acknowledged that SH would need to be deposed eventually. Removing him was the bottom line, even without the threat of WMDs. His mere existence was a "green light" in my mind. JOHN (19 years ago, 27-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What you seem to have never internalized is that we went into Iraq for one reason, and one reason only-- to depose SH's evil regime. We issued an ultimatum for him leave or we would make him. He didn't, and we did. He was the threat, he was (...) (19 years ago, 27-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And not just farce, but expressly known to be false, months before Dubya invaded Iraq unprovoked. Dave! (19 years ago, 27-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) WHAT????? You seem to have conveniently forgotten the war in Iraq was primarily to remove the "threat" of nuclear weapons and the (apparent) harbouring of terrorists, as part of the "war on terrorism". THAT is why Americans (and others) are (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Stating something is wrong and *proving* it is wrong are entirely different things, John. I don't like SA's rantings, but I also don't like the bile that often spouts from your fingers into this group. At this point, I call Put Up or Shut Up - if (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you humbley say so yourself? ;-) (...) Anarchy? Where are you getting your information? (...) Now I must really question your sources, because what you have just said could not be further from the truth! Virtually all if not all of the (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) SH was not the biggest fool on the world stage. (...) You mean the "scandal" (URL) and abetted> by Washington? Who do you think bought that oil and burned it in their bloated "SUV's"... your countrymen! John, you are being played like a (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'd suggest a little humility is in order. (...) ...and replacing it with violent anarchy. That's what I call progress! (...) Hmm. I recall reading that only ~5% of the insurgents were "foreign" and the majority of Iraqis want Bush to pack his (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, I don't adhere to that scenerio. I believe he actually was hiding WMDs and their whereabouts is still unknown. But since we haven't found any, I am willing to concede the above scenerio, which would make SH out to be an idiot. It (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) I'm glad to see that revisionist history isn't limited to the US administration. Looks as if John has the bug as well. <snip> (...) Dave K (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By the looks of it, Helen is one of the few who are still asking the tough questions. The rest apear to be 'bauble heads', spreading the propaganda of Dubya. I also think you missed the point where she asked if the 'newly established gov'ts' (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now it is I who must ask you what on earth are you talking about! (...) So, you'd advocate somehow going back in time and not rushing in. (...) The "mess" meaning liberating the Iraqis from the yoke of dictatorship? The "mess" in helping the (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What is it that you think we would do with that huge stockpile of oil? Steal it? (...) A lot of countries have them. Not many actually use them. Guns don't kill; people do. (...) Let's face it-- SH was an idiot. The guy read the tea leaves all (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What the doddering old idiot Helen Thomas didn't get was that we are there at the request of the newly established governments of Afganistan and Iraq. McClellan wasn't talking about our initial invasions. Did I mention that Helen Thomas is an (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Won't work--my family doesn't have a huge stockpile of oil. Nor did you supply me with chemical weapons in the 80's out of a criminally short-sighted sense of expediency. Nor did you all but grant me permission to invade Kuwait just weeks (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote: <snip> (...) And then we have my personal favourite rendition of 'reinventive history'-- " MR. McCLELLAN: That's all I have to update at this moment. And with that, I'll be glad to go to your (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To you? Yes! (...) I would not have rushed there to start with. (...) Well, given the mess people like YOU got us in, I suppose I'd start by trying to hand over power to Iraqis. I would NOT rig their constitution or setup permanent bases in (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You have something against marriage? (...) Well, you obviously don't support the war, so what would you advocate instead? That we all go home tomorrow? Or do you prefer just to sit around and complain about things? (which is your perogative, (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Certainly not marriage! What on earth are you talking about John? Scott A (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What do you propose? JOHN (19 years ago, 25-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I had forgotten all about (URL) freedom fries>: “It was a culinary rebuke that echoed around the world, heightening the sense of tension between Washington and Paris in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. But now the US politician who led the (...) (19 years ago, 25-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Frank, give him some credit. It is pretty hard for him to illustrate his well thought political philosophy with a series of focus group derived sound bites. ;) It always amazes me how the American-Right is eager to kill anything (e.g. criminals, (...) (19 years ago, 25-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Quoted from: (URL) so is Bush going to turn into a pacifist? Or does this only apply to medical science and not weapons science? Or does it only apply to the research itself and not the use of the technology developed? Frank (19 years ago, 24-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying the above section appeared in the above URL? If so, they've edited it since then, as I do not see that section in the full article (at least when loaded in Firefox just a couple of minutes ago). -- Tom Stangl *(URL) Visual FAQ (...) (19 years ago, 22-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm. Forget the the; not the the, the the. JOHN (19 years ago, 20-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) it's YOUR responsibility to clean up any URLs that, because you switch, look icky. I've left it icky so you can see your crime, the underbars are throwing off the underlining and making it look all wonky. Worse, a plaintext link, by itself, is (...) (19 years ago, 20-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, there goes your argument! ;-) Yeah, invoking He-who-must-not-be-named (and I don't mean Voldemort) was a mistake and Santorum has already admitted it (I heard him say it live this morning on the air), but that still doesn't change the (...) (19 years ago, 20-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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From: (URL) Sen. Rick Santorum (news, bio, voting record) of Pennsylvania countered, "It's the equivalent of Adolf Hitler in 1942." He said Democratic protests over Republican efforts to ensure confirmation votes would be like the Nazi dictator (...) (19 years ago, 20-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dateline Grand Rapids, MI... The Bush team must have thought this was a pretty safe photo op for their fearless leader... Calvin College is among the most christian institutions in one of the most solidly conservative/republican areas in the entire (...) (19 years ago, 19-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doh! Apparently I've lost my bearings once again. How embearassing! Truly a kodiak moment. Dave! (hereby abandoning the grizzly remains of my argument) FUT ot.pun, alas! (19 years ago, 18-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I suspect you might be right about that: (from (URL) ) "Arthur Schopenhauer (February 22, 1788 – September 21, 1860) was a German philosopher. " ...so, unless he was WAY ahead of his time, probably not a big 'nethead... (...) I think you're (...) (19 years ago, 17-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You and DaveE have already pegged this correctly; the listed strategies are tailored for "winning the audience" rather than "persuading one's opponent." I'm not very well versed in Schopenhauer, but I have the vague sense that he didn't use (...) (19 years ago, 17-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) The Score:> Gorgeous George Galloway 1 Lickspittle Republican Senator 0 (URL) The truth(?):> "The US was not only aware of Iraqi oil sales which violated UN sanctions and provided the bulk of the illicit money Saddam Hussein obtained (...) (19 years ago, 17-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Ah... #3! Very good! No, seriously, I think elsewhere on the page it is asserted that the entire material is an acknowledgedly poor translation from the original German. (19 years ago, 16-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ROSCO (19 years ago, 16-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Exactly! Which is why I think many of them do get used here! When I read this list I was reminded of your "debate card" of a few years back, and I was doing a little scoring in my head as to who among the regulars here used how many. (1) 1 - (...) (19 years ago, 16-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To a certain extent, I think I've used: 1, 4, 9, 16, 20, 25, 32, 33 Of course, as regards #1, I'm usually an advocate of testing the extremes of any given theory. Hence, I'll typically show the extremes of my *own* propositions as well, to (...) (19 years ago, 16-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thirty - Eight Ways to Win an Argument from Schopenhauer's "The Art of Controversy" (URL) via a link from (URL) ... surely one of the most clever URL choices out there! (19 years ago, 16-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course, the gov't could free up a bunch of military dollars if they'd abandon the ill-conceived, ill-designed, ill-executed, and ill-befitting-the-modern-world Missile Defense System. After that, the gov't could abandon the policy of (...) (19 years ago, 13-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"...But don't close my state's pork farms, er, bases!" (URL) love it! (19 years ago, 13-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. What excuse do white guys have for owning guns? I'm not sure that the state of law enforcement in 1962/3 Alabama justifies gun ownership in 2005… especially given the number of gun thefts and juvenile shootings in the USA. Scott A (19 years ago, 13-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The USA gave him WMD. That is a fact. (...) None of which supports the USA's Foreign Policy with respect to those nations & regions. (...) See the bottom of (URL) this post>. (...) Do you care to expend on that? There is plenty of proof that (...) (19 years ago, 13-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not so much law as it is being integrated into the base curriculum in a few states. Mostly southern right now, but if the trend continues.... (19 years ago, 13-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Is that actually law in some states? That seems a little over the top. Note that kids in several European countries are "forced" to learn English in school. And I also had to learn French in school, although I remember very little of it now. (...) (19 years ago, 13-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) <SNIP> (...) Gotta love how languages change. Geno meaning race as in Genus Thus Human = Human Just my take. (...) Yeah, from some capitalist pig, whether that pig was from US, China, Japan, Russia who knows. (...) Meddling in Central America, (...) (19 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"John" <John@TCLTC.org> wrote in message news:IGDy1E.ynu@lugnet.com... (...) He is probably trying to tell you that your country is/was ruled by idiots with no morals, and that they should be terminated. I think I have to agree on that. /J (19 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, I admit the Pope was thrown in for good measure (not that he isn't getting smeared by other lefties as a Nazi). What were you trying to say??? What was your point? Merely smear by innuendo? What's your point? What's your point? JOHN (19 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "to defended" Way to proofread, YahooNews. The least they could have done was throw a (sic) in there. Leaving aside your utterly outrageous and scandalous suggestion that the local authorities might not have been entirely trustworthy, I have (...) (19 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live," Rice said she came to that view from personal experience. She said her father, a black minister, and his friends armed themselves to defended the black community in Birmingham, Ala., against the White (...) (19 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, I fear you are still dreamin'. I said no such thing. Scott A (...) (19 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not quite (URL) true>. (...) Yeah... but many of the recent conflicts were aided by Washington. Think about how SH got WMD. (...) Tell that to the millions slaughtered at the hands of Washington in South-East Asia. What about Washington's (...) (19 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmm. I wonder if Mohamed Atta thought the same of the those in the twin-towers? Scott A (19 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Whilst I can't attest to being Gorgeous Georges biggest fan, I do find it highly questionable that he was not allowed the opportunity to appear before (URL) this committee> to refute the charges laid against him. I understand that his written (...) (19 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Q1 Did a marine not kill an incapacitated man "deliberately" in "self-defence"? Q2 Is there much of a difference between deliberately targeting civilians and having (URL) disregard> for their safety? Scott A (...) (19 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Maybe I should rephrase that, I believe that If we could trust them to only bomb the begeezers out of each other, we should leave, and simply ignore their existence until the stop the fighting. But they won't keep it within their own (...) (19 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I agree that it sounds callous and mean-spirited, and in raw pragmatic terms it's just not a helpful course to pursue. By that same logic, we in the United States have been involved in well over two centuries of continuous war, so anyone could (...) (19 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, as callous as it sounds, I do believe that after 2000+ years of continuous war in the middle east the term 'innocent civilian' is an oxymoron when referring to that part of the world.. just my mean spirited opinion... Two words: Carpet (...) (19 years ago, 11-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, just that they go on and on about a car bomb that killed a few dozen innocent civilians, but they don't even mention the residential raids by US forces that kill an equal or greater number of innocent civilians. The car bomb is terrible, (...) (19 years ago, 11-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Deliberately? I don't understand your complaint. JOHN (19 years ago, 11-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hey, I'll take a daily 100 minute spot on a car bomb in Iraq, if only they'd air even one solid minute of footage of the innocent civilians that American forces kill each day. Why, at this rate, we'll only have to slaughter a few thousand more (...) (19 years ago, 11-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) <yawn> Bush and the Pope are Nazis. Got it. <back to sleep> JOHN (19 years ago, 11-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, it would certainly suck to be him right now! (Yikes, 15 yards from spot of ball?) BTW, in general, is setting up sting ops a proper behavior of the press? I get a little wary when news stations play cops under the guise of "investigative (...) (19 years ago, 11-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Once again, you've demonstrated your ignorance of United States history. (URL) Roosevelt> was President when we belatedly entered the war, not (URL) Washington.> Honestly, Scott--try to keep it straight. Dave! (19 years ago, 10-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Bush Jr: "It is a moment where the world will recognize the great bravery and sacrifice the Russian people made in the defeat of Nazism." Has he forgotten how Grandpappy Bush (Prescott Bush) hoped to profit from Nazism? ...even (URL) after> (...) (19 years ago, 10-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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By the way, I suggest a five yard penalty for inopportune use of the word (URL) probe> in a headline. Dave! (19 years ago, 10-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's better! (...) Or when you've committed the horrible crime of being an Iraqi civilian, for example. Dave! (19 years ago, 10-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sorry. That should have been "Holocaust-denying-a...c-liberal" :-) (...) Yep. Life is tough when you are cannon fodder for the IDF. Scott A (...) (19 years ago, 10-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmm... Then you were probably kidding when you called me a (URL) holocaust denying anti-Semite>, too. (...) Hey, those kids were asking for it. They knew that they were Palestinians when they left their homes--what did they expect would (...) (19 years ago, 9-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well spotted. I suppose I get tired of people in the media who objectively question Israeli nationalism either: (a) being called anti-Semitic (why is this worse than other, more prevalent, forms of racism?) or (b) being reminded of the (...) (19 years ago, 9-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But that doesn't really get us anywhere. At most, Person B can say "I've thought it over, and I think you're correct about X. Of course, I have no way to verify that X was communicated to you via revelation, but I still like it." So X, whether (...) (19 years ago, 9-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Of all the names I have ever been called (I keep a list of the best as a check on hubris), this one is probably the best. It can't go on the list because you're not serious, but I love it anyway :-) Maybe I'll write it on the back... Richard (...) (19 years ago, 7-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (chuckle) I can't imagine telling anyone what they should have said, much less yelling at them. A fine example of an underlying problem. (...) I wasn't personalising the argument to you Larry. The guns blazing is a popular and wrongheaded (...) (19 years ago, 7-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Now there is an argument, and close to the best possible riposte under all the circumstances, I think. Seems to sum up Larry and John perfectly in this case. Richard Still baldly going... (19 years ago, 7-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Unjustified, maybe, but certainly not pointless... ROSCO (19 years ago, 7-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Fine, fair friend. (...) Not said. "Say". (...) <hands over ears> LA LA LA LA LA LA LA! (...) It wasn't pointless. (...) Now you seem annoyed. Let's call it even. JOHN (19 years ago, 7-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Let's forget Finding Nemo and face facts john. You got a little annoyed about what I said with regard to Israel. However, as I was telling the truth, all you could do was engage in pointless and unjustified name calling. GET A LIFE. Scott A (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't think that's quite right. On the one hand, let's think about lightning for a second. We have a pretty good idea how that gets generated nowadays. But for a long time science had nothing to say on the matter. Not enough data. Hence, to (...) (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Let's throw out the term "Creation" in this context, because it stacks the deck in favor your argument. Additionally, we've previously discussed the imprecision of term "Science" with a capital-S, so can we refer instead to science? The (...) (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But that's a disengenuous assertment. There will never be enough "data" to answer that question. It is unknowable. (...) Because there isn't or never will be any such data. The scientific method cannot explain the origin of something without (...) (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's a false dilemma. The current (and correct) response is: "We currently don't have enough data to answer that question." (...) Suppose that one says "Current data suggests that the universe has always existed, in some form." How is that (...) (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Just one? What are you, like Dory from "Finding Nemo"? JOHN (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Everything that exists had to come from something. Whether you want to call Event 1 "God" or just "Some Random Occurance", neither fit into the model of Science. Even if you want to say that "the universe always was", that is still beyond (...) (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Do you care to give us all a link to this alleged beating? Scott A (...) (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Parsons wrote: <snip> (...) Really? Try selling that argument to a German or Japanese person-- I don't buy it. (...) You mean like turning out by the millions against, in some cases, fear of death, to vote? (...) (...) (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) How's that concrete? I'm not seeing the creation myth as at all concrete. (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's too bad, because that's what you SHOULD have said. There are a lot of ways to encourage and help people that want to be free achieve it, OTHER than charging in, guns blazing (and I'd challenge you to point out where I've been a big (...) (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sorry to disappoint-- but we've already beaten that corpse to China and back. :-) JOHN (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Mmmmm. A truly American assumption that my 'prescription' was designed to change these countries to be free, but not what I was driving at. I have read it again, and I can't see that in what I said. Besides, I think its been discussed even (...) (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) **sigh** Scott A (...) (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't know how long this "free of FCC" will last now that they (the FCC and others) are barking at cable and satellite TV providers to be more (URL) "family friendly">, whatever that means. Adr. (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's not funny. :-) JOHN (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "I am speaking about Creation." (...) I was referring to our conscience. The knowledge deep down of right and wrong. (...) I'm citing a book whose title eludes me. I'll see if I can find it. In the mean time, I'll accept merely 1 million out (...) (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No. (...) On your part? Yes. JOHN (19 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ....do you care to expand that, or is it just more ugly unjustified name calling? Scott A (...) (19 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Speaking of Doom3, since we were, indeed, speaking of it-- One video game that gave me nightmares, and it wasn't the gory video or the shooting--it was the sounds... it's a very disturbing video game, even when played in 'god' mode... Dave K (...) (19 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Legion of DOOM is more like it, Dave! (19 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Call us Legion. (19 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You lost me there. What's a concrete thing that science can't address? (...) Hmm? Hardwired how? Hardwired to believe in him (in spite of free will?) Or hardwired to want to believe in him? Not me. (...) Approximately one zillion things fueled (...) (19 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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