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(...) Huh?? Defused through us blockading Cuba and threatening to go to war if the missiles weren't removed, then refusing to blink. That would be more like it, I would say. Diplomacy was only the communication channel, not the defuser. Oh, and (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Also, the Morrocan "affairs", in 1904 and 1907, between Germany and France. Things were *hot* back then (for the time standards, that is). Pedro (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Cuban Missle Crisis. Defused through diplomacy. Both sides got something they wanted. Perceptually Kruschev lost, and was deposed eventually because of it. -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, my def'n of 'we' woudn't necessarily be "the US", for then it woudn't be we, as in me... but I digress... ;) I was thinking more along the lines of "if we (as in 'civilized society' whether it be the UN, or such other institution) see (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, I was thinking in terms of *major* global conflicts, such as war. More specifically, I'm looking for examples of diplomacy effectively dealing with an aggressor (nation or entity). JOHN (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It sounds like you're saying that people _should_ suffer. I don't get it. (...) lunacy. It wasn't "his" kid. If I were the parental victim in this case, my wrath would be extreme. Chris (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you honestly trying to say that diplomacy is universally and always unsuccessful in all cases everywhere on the planet? That nothing has ever been accomplished by diplomacy? You may wish to modify your statement or at least limit its (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It just got my blood up, and I didn't know where else to post. How about ot.fun, Larry? 8^) (...) Absolutely, just as I'd trust a surgeon to remove my appendix more than I'd trust my bus driver to do the same. No argument. Dave! (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) debate about? I'm thinking no one is going to stick up for the flight attendant (assuming he actually did it, I mean). (...) Even so, there's a world of difference between a doctor who's theoretically educated in the risks of a medication (or (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why is it the job of the US to bring justice to the world? (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So I'm asking with all seriousness and no veil of ulterior motive--what do we do? Justice must prevail, if we are to hold to our own ideals. How do we achieve justice in this situation? Dave K (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But isn't that the direction of society in general right now--any bit of sniffle, any bit of pain, any slight cough, and "dammit, I want my medicine!" Any sort of uncomfortableness and we want a "quick fix"--"why should I suffer the least (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Standard of living in Iraq is now 50% below what it was pre Saddam. Could it get worse if we "lost the peace"? Sure. Do I trust Bush to do a good job? No. What if the UN and the IMF/World Bank are involved? Even worse. So, no win situation. (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's attack this point by point. 1. If you're going to accuse Saddam of murders he has not yet committed, then you absolutely must provide evidence that he will do so. Since you're proposing some sort of comparision between the relative (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: <snip> (...) Yeah! Nuke 'em 'til the glow, then shoot 'em in the dark, and let God sort 'em out!! Rah Rah!! Go Team! Dave K (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What does diplomacy accomplish? I mean *really*? Please cite examples of diplomacy working *anywhere* in the world, but not, of course, "diplomacy" conducted in surrender agreements. The fact is that "diplomacy" is merely a synonym for (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) thing you know, doctors will be over-prescribing drugs for kids who have trouble sitting through a boring school day. Nah, that'll never happen... By the way, I am not equating the prudent prescription of medication for those who suffer from (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think it amy be in reference to a few things--the idiot in charge was replaced with, what was it, 4 other idiots? The 'Cartels', as it were? Are the Afgan folks any better off? They died during the 'military action' and now they have (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Can you elaborate on that? Although we haven't won the peace yet, that war was won pretty decisively, contrary to what the naysayers predicted. (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) k, 2 things we agree on Dave K (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes: <snip for later... so many things for later... there isn;t enuf time in the day!> (...) On this we totally agree! This is another thing I get into with my SO--she went to that quiet little rally in (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does Bush want diplomacy to work? Scott A (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Shrub. Hmm. To you have "thickets" in the US? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I could have guessed this. That's just SO wrong! The campaign slogan of Shrub's post-Iraq opponent for the presidency: "One more such victory and we are lost." When you figure out who said it and why it was said a divine light will descend (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And what was Afghanistan? Will invading Iraq be any more decisive? ROSCO (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are spot on, Mike! Terrorists fear strength and feed on weakness, not the other way around. God, why is this concept so friggin' hard to understand?? People say "if we attack Iraq, we will be bringing more terrorist attacks upon (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) imperialism. (...) And that right there is everything that is wrong with US foreign policy. We can easily do the right thing (not just in Iraq but everywhere) and don't. No one, not even the politicians who want the war, (and by coincidence (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Yeah, that war in Iraq is going to be about as useful as the "War on Drugs"... (URL) guess it's not the case that Shrub Jr. is just attempting the big oil grab for himself and his buddies and making Joe and Jane Sixpack foot the bill of the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What the heck are you talking about? Unlike World War 2 we (any "Western" country) do not carpet bomb cities anymore. The big Tomahawk cruise missles are accurate to within half a meter, let alone the smaller missles. Civilian casualties would (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes: <snip> (...) What's even sicker is equating wanting a peaceful solution to the Iraqi situation to doing nothing at all. War will kill Iraqi people. "Easily free them"? What? from their lives on (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What's really sick is that so many people think it is perfectly acceptable to let millions of Iraqi people suffer, in fear of their lives, under a brutal dictatorship, when we could easily free them. (URL) Petrucelli (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Wow, thanks for the explanation. I'm anxiously looking forward to the next batch of Bible stories! :-) Stéphane S. (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The Rev. Brendan Powell Smith wrote in message ... (...) story -- (...) with (...) beliefs. I'm curious - how does Jewish theology interpret these bible stories? Are there major differences between their interpretations and Christian (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Saudi Arabia and Kuwait come to mind readily. (...) "Desert Storm" did not happen in a vacuum. (...) He doesn't care about the US, except that we got in the way of his last oil grab (but helped the previous attempt). I have seen no compelling (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is the def'n of many many national leaders--heck, I'd throw my leader, JC in there just to poke fun at him--he's unopposed, he's a nut ;), and Canada has... well, not too many WoMD ;)... What gives you Yanks the right to tell some other (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Since Dubya has been claiming that this will stabilize the region and reduce the threat of terrorism, then the burden of proof is 100% on Dubya to demonstrate that unilateral invasion of an Arab state will NOT result in a rise in terrorism (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Dubya is singularly incompetent. He is trashing American influence for no good reason, destroying whatever trust we had with Middle-Eastern countries," What influence? As far as i know, we never had much influence over any of those countries... (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I wear pink to boot! Well... no, not really. Though when pastels were fashionable on men (a la 'Miami Vice'), I did own a pink shirt. That was also about the same time when my white jean jacket was accidentally washed with my sisters pink (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's because you're an anti-war, left-wing nutcase. And a Canadian, to boot. 8^) Dave! (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) People here have a way of saying things so much better than myself. So there you are. Nicely said, Bruce. Dave K (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dubya's daddy was a weasel when it came to supporting foreign dictatorships. He was against all the communist dictatorships being overthown in eastern europe (because he feared the anarchy that he supposed would follow) and then amusingly (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) K, first I'm Canadian. I may have issues with the moronic policies of your appointed leader, but I couldn't give a flying fig as to who your leader is--if he does right, I don't care. (...) I never *ever* said otherwise--SH lied, He has (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Be careful of using a non-representative sample to ridicule the whole, or as a basis for undermining the soundness of the argument. If certain, shall we say, unusual forms of protest have occurred, that hardly discredits the thinking of the (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) This I did not know--thanks. (rest for later... :) ) Dave K (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "The anti-war crowd *for the most part* are radical fruitcakes"?? Okay. Those 100,000+ people marcning in Toronto that I was with--were most of them radical fruitcakes? Were half of them radicak fruitcakes? Were 10 percent of them radical (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please tally all protests and render the percentage of those that took place naked. And what's wrong with pink? I mean, other than I won't be seen in it? :-) You seem to be taking the cheap-shot demonizing route in trying to belittle a (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) er, "bald-faced" liar.. Saddam's lies aren't all that bold... h (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. It is time for all of the anti-war crowd that are "sitting on the fence" because there isn't enough "evidence" or are waiting for a "smoking gun" to come clean. They are (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) After all the other spineless concessions... (...) Didn't listen to us at the end of the first world war, and look what came about? Oh, and what country in particular lead the way in not listening to us? StOOpidity. (...) You supported the (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To Scott: That's *nuthin'!* You should see what the *other* side is doing! The Anti-war crowd for the most part are radical fruitcakes. I mean, feminists protesting *naked*???? <shudder> Wearing *pink* to protest? It's all entertainment to the (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I never really understood *beer*, and the whole mentality with it. People love their beer. My SO loves dark beer from Europe, can't stand American beer... My friend won't drink anything besides Molson Canadian... When I was so much younger (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are we talking about the same thing? He marched into Poland, He was on some sort of 'expansionist kick' and the 'eliminating all but the 'Supreme race'. Of course we stood up to that. I wouldn't necessarily call that stOOpid. The war with (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It was something of a rhetorical question: I can find beers from all over the world in California; Germany, Phillipines, Japan, Mexico, Canada, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Holland, and on and on. None from France (that I know of). But I'd (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I'd say Joe Steel was fighting *for* tyranny. (...) The rest of the world starts a stupid war (excuse me, *stOOpid*, can't emphasize that enough) and has us bail 'em out, and resents it? That chip on yer shoulder big enough? ;-) (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: One other thing... (...) This has also been credited to Schwarzkopf, but according to www.snopes.com the correct attribution is Jed Babbin (URL) Dave! (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And that in 1940 the xenophobic US weren't in the war at all whilst the Allies were fighting and dieing for freedom against tyranny, the US didn't get into it until the end of '41, but they'll take all the credit for winning the war... History (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yep the 1930's equivalent of "star wars" was an expensive dud... [parts of it were moved to the "Atlantic Wall" IRC]. (...) French resistance: The fig leaf that covers the truth. (...) Is it not the other way around: "didn't the fledgling USA (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, yes, there is a large variety of beers produced in France. I suppose that Belgian beer is generally more famous, especially the Trappist Beer, brewed in monasteries (Orval, Leffe, Chimay, ...), but you also find similar beer tradition in (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sounds like they need to learn their history. IIRC, the French Army won the Battle of Verdun, under the heaviest shelling and most hideous battlefield conditions in history. Call that what you will, but cowardly it is not. The Germans won in 1940 (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...and french kisses! ;-) Fredrik (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahhh, the good ol' www...;-) (URL) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm a Pepsi person myself:-) Although when I was in the Middle East, I was fascinated with the Coca-Cola logo as it was redesigned in Arabic and in Hebrew. It is "reproduced" in a lot of languages; I should go find a link... JOHN (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If it makes you feel better, I thought "Mecca Cola" was reactionary twaddle, too. :-) -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) I could give you 10,913 reasons to feel particularily *UN*sympathetic to the ingrates of France: (URL) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast. A classic piece of reactionary twaddle. I didn't imagine that anyone could get me feeling particularly sympathetic towards France, but it happened. Is there such a thing as good French beer? :-) Gotta stick (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Holy cow. I bet it feels good to get THAT out! As an American and a Christian, I agree with (most of) what you said. I'm against this so-called "war", I don't understand why so many Christians make this a holy issue (no, really, I don't!), and (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is why I love the French... their toast... their fries... their kissing... :) and if my SO's in a particuarly "be there for her other half..." the maid outfits... Oops--did I say that out loud? ;) Dave K (22 years ago, 12-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Amazing, considering that these words were written in 1978. (URL) (22 years ago, 12-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've been to France last week. And I did some french-kissing... does that mean I'm taking a stand? ;-) Pedro (22 years ago, 12-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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I was just thinking... (light frivolous stuff to follow, but still, I hope, debatable...) We're all here on the info superhighway... So where do you guys surf to daily--what are your favourite sites? Here's my list: (except for LUGNET...) (URL) (...) (22 years ago, 12-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Though I've said before that I support space exploration in its own right (without needing a penny-for-penny justification), I'm not sure about the 1000 fecund technologies bred by the space program. Am I just being dense? I mean, are these (...) (22 years ago, 12-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, be fair. Almost all are unattributed or from comedians. And Limbaugh is hardly an icon of thoughtful debate. That leaves Roy Blount and Rumsfeld. Nuff said... (...) (22 years ago, 12-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> I heard lots of those, I do watch Letterman (yes, my CBS strike is over--I missed Letterman too much ;) )... I'm not defending Chirac... I'm defending people's rights to have an opinion which (...) (22 years ago, 12-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The deal with research is that you never know what ancillary technologies will crop up from it. You can smirk at Coke in space all you want, but the "test the feasibility of creating...carbonated beverages in space" part sounds like (...) (22 years ago, 12-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The text below was via an e-mail from a friend, it made me wonder just what the level of debate in the USA is. I ckecked out a couple and they appeared valid. Scott A ==+== "Going to war without France is like going duck hunting without your (...) (22 years ago, 12-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) Very true "(URL) you want to know if a giant 'planet killer' asteroid was heading straight for earth? Tough question for me. If I knew, I'd probably quit my job and spend my last few (...) (22 years ago, 12-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ACTUALLY, you do need to do your research! You are not the first person to note Larry’s willingness to demand others “provide a cite” whilst leaving his own arguments unsubstantiated. Nor is this the first time that Larry has resorted to (...) (22 years ago, 12-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lets try to go all the way back to the beginning. Dave K started a thread asking a hypothetical about whether a person would want to know if an asteroid was coming. Some people responded to that question but mostly we've got off track. We're (...) (22 years ago, 12-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> (...) Oh, btw... off to have some french toast for breakfast, and maybe I'll have some french fries for lunch... and possibly a glass of that fine french wine with dinner tonite. Get over (...) (22 years ago, 12-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I really have to stop watching CNN... (the worlds most trusted news source) K, before the CNN, let's talk about "Meet the Press" Sunday on NBC... So CP's on there, basically restating the infomercial that Dubya had a few days before, and it seemed (...) (22 years ago, 12-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ACTUALLY, that question was in responce to the statement: "You haven't done your research." Implying I should have already done some research on "what's being proposed," whatever that means. (22 years ago, 11-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I was just thinking the other day. If we used he material from asteroids to build a huge lense we could maybe terraform Mars just by heating it up and melting the ice at the poles, releasing carbon dioxide etc. This would be the (...) (22 years ago, 11-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Never. At least that's the quick answer. As I see it, reproducing is in some ways akin to playing Roulette. There's always a chance that you'll end up with a psychotic or a retard as a kid who will need care forever. You owe them that. If you (...) (22 years ago, 11-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Money doesn't seem to draw more motivated personnel. By maybe better personnel, sometimes. As a grad student in education a few years ago, I polled a small sample of teachers (~40) to determine what one thing would be most likely to help them (...) (22 years ago, 11-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. You asked me what research *you* should have done. I gave you a search string you could use if you like. It doesn't matter to me whether you use it or not. (22 years ago, 11-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When does the obligation end? I'm inclined to think the obligation ends at adulthood (whatever that is defined to be - I think the law does have to have a way to draw a line as to who is competent to be an "adult" and who is not). (...) I (...) (22 years ago, 11-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) okay.. let me get this straight. You *demand* cites from me, but then expect me to do research to support *your* claims. Maybe you think your time is much more valuable than mine or something, but this doesn't seem to be rational to me. and, (...) (22 years ago, 11-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Note that neither of these statements dismiss the conclusion. They merely deride the source. (22 years ago, 10-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sorry if I've been a little more rambly than usual, I'm home from work with a stomach flu and I've slept about 90% of the past 20 hours. I just reread my note and while I accept that lots of people write better than me, this one was a bit much. (...) (22 years ago, 10-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, but would you hold a profoundly retarded person equally culpable for his actions as a fully-functioning, mentally healthy adult? To do so would be, in my view, unforgiveably cruel and unfair. By the same token, if a child is (...) (22 years ago, 10-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Frank's "[as an abuse]" is a perfect clarification. Basically, I think that to deny access to our rights as citizens based on the age of the citizen (which I assert kids are) is exactly the moral equivalent of denying rights based on skin tone (...) (22 years ago, 10-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As one of the people suggesting that everything can be treated as a property right, I would like to point out that I don't think that compensation is the sole remedy. Certainly people who demonstrate an inability to restrain themselves need to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course not, and in fact you've nicely paraphrased my objection to a pure "propertly loss/compensation" system of law that some here have previously proposed. But if the accepted laws of society recognize that you have duly repaid your debt (...) (22 years ago, 10-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We only ever hear from the puppet-master at the end of the show. ;) Scott A (22 years ago, 10-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's 'cause he thinks he's Major T. J. "King" Kong. ;) Scott A (22 years ago, 10-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Rather than simply restating the claim; perhaps you should just say why you think he is a "luddite"? Scott A (22 years ago, 10-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One feeling I have is that if someone is still dangerous, they belong in detention or treatment. Simply hanging a sign around their neck (and these laws are just high tech versions of hanging a sign around a persons neck) isn't really going to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does guilt vanish with repayment? If I steal your car and am required to compensate you and pay an additional fine, have I then _not_ stolen your car? I think there are some pretty disturbing abuses of these laws, and I go back and forth about (...) (22 years ago, 10-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Arrrrr, there be nuthin' a-wrong wi' Timmy. He be making good chum when chopped inta small 'nuf bits. If'n ya be fishing fer yer great white, then he be good fer trollin' abaft yer transom on a really big 'ook. Thrashes 'bout most convinc'n'ly (...) (22 years ago, 9-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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