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Re: And now for something completely different...
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Tue, 11 Mar 2003 00:06:37 GMT
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> > perhaps you should enlighten me on what's being proposed. What research
> > SHOULD I have done.
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> Try this search string at Google: "moonbase cost estimates"
okay.. let me get this straight. You *demand* cites from me, but then
expect me to do research to support *your* claims. Maybe you think your
time is much more valuable than mine or something, but this doesn't seem to
be rational to me.
and, just for fun, I did that search on google and found nothing really
concrete, especially by way of cost estimations. None of the websites I
found looked all that 'for real', so maybe you should send me a link to
"what's being proposed."
currently, as stated before, the ISS costs 100 billion and has a *three* man
crew. I would like some -actual- evidence as to why I should not believe an
industrial moonbase or whatever would not be more to construct.. and more by
several multipliers (3x, 4x, etc).
> The Artemis project may be all wet, but given the several orders of
> magnitude difference in their estimates (using commercial grade assumptions)
> from NASA's, maybe these numbers of trillions of dollars that have been
> tossed around by detractors are all wet.
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> > if you think i'm a luddite, you're not paying attention.
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> If you think you're not a luddite, you're not paying attention to what you
> say. But I digress.
Somehow this strikes me as purely insulting. And somewhere I remember
Lugnet being the nicest place on the web.. hmm..
well, a luddite, as i recall, is someone who is anti-technology and
technological development. so far i have voiced questions about off planet
colonies and industrial bases. these questions have been from a perspective
of trying to solve some of humanities larger problems (mass starvation, the
growing gap between rich and poor, global illiteracy). and my opinions began
as a defence from the statement "my girlfriend thinks we should solve
everything down here before even thinking about space" or something like
that. i don't see how what i've said has been all that anti-technology. in
fact, i would love to see a technological solution to the problem i
mentioned above. furthermore, seeing how i'm engaging in this "discussion"
from a glowing box connected to millions of other glowing boxes, i would
guess my opinion towards technology is one of acceptance rather than animosity.
and while i am bitter toward sophists, i try to not let it show. i believe
a good debate show use logic and reason, not petty insults and bitterness.
-o
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