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In lugnet.color, David Eaton wrote:
> In lugnet.color, Kyle D. Jackson wrote:
> > Really? What sets had the dark grey? And yeah, I forgot about the maxifig
> > hair for brown (or minifig tools, etc.).
>
> First set to use dark grey (according to Peeron) is 590 Engine Co. #9 (1977):
> http://www.peeron.com/inv/colortable/3024?ip=0
> From the Brickshelf scan, it does indeed look like they're dark grey.
>
> For brown, I see push-brooms in 1978:
> http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/605-1
> http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/1589-1
>
> They started showing up in "regular" pieces much later. Sorta. For Brown it's
> certainly true, since it first started showing up here and there in the
> mid-90's, and then really picked up in the late 90's and 00's. Dark grey was
> similar, with a VERY early arrival in 1980 in some train sets (2x6 and 2x8
> plates). And with a couple splinters of dark grey bricks/plates in 1996, dark
> grey really exploded (moreso than brown even) in 1998:
>
> (Earliest year for a color [in a basic brick/plate] marked with * signs below)
>
> Brown DkGry Grey Piece
> --------------------------------
> 2001 1998 1966 1x1 Plate
> 1987 1998 1966 1x2 Plate
> *1993* 1999 1977 1x3 Plate
> 1998 1996 1977 1x4 Plate
> 2000 1999 1977 1x6 Plate
> 2000 1996 1973 1x8 Plate
> 2003 2002 1984 1x10 Plate
> 1998 1998 *1965* 2x2 Plate
> 1998 1998 1967 2x3 Plate
> 1998 1998 *1965* 2x4 Plate
> 2001 *1980* 1978 2x6 Plate
> 2000 *1980* 1969 2x8 Plate
> 2000 2000 1978 2x10 Plate
> 2001 1998 1990 2x12 Plate
> 2000 2001 1984 2x16 Plate
> *1993* 1998 1979 1x1 Brick
> 1986 1998 1979 1x2 Brick
> 2001 1998 1979 1x3 Brick
> 2001 1998 1980 1x4 Brick
> 1999 1998 1980 1x6 Brick
> 2004 1998 1980 1x8 Brick
> 2000 1998 1994 1x10 Brick
> 1996 2001 1994 1x12 Brick
> ---- 1998 1990 1x16 Brick
> 2000 1998 1983 2x2 Brick
> 2001 1998 1984 2x3 Brick
> 1999 1998 1979 2x4 Brick
> 2000 1998 1993 2x6 Brick
> 2004 1999 1986 2x8 Brick
> 2004 1998 1986 2x10 Brick
>
> > I was thinking of largely common
> > elements when I considered when a colour first "appeared". From my
> > recollection neither dark grey nor brown appeared in common elements (e.g.,
> > basic bricks) until, what, the 90's? But regular grey was around for quite
> > a long time in common elements (70's at least).
>
> Yeah, grey *brick* was really uncommon until around 1984 when the castle theme
> started using it. Beforehand, it was around in plates mostly, but grey bricks
> were only speckled in here and there in various sets.
>
> > Can you point to the
> > specific sets/years when the colours first appeared as any element, and
> > then when they first appeared in common elements, e.g., basic bricks?
>
> Heh, hopefully the above works well enough :) I'm basing that 100% on Peeron,
> but it does appear to be accurate, upon looking at pictures of the early sets.
>
> DaveE
Hey Dave,
Peeron is wrong on some of the 60's dates for grey. In 1963 (Christmas 1962 to
be accurate) grey plates in 1x1, 1x2, 2x2, 2x3, 2x4 and strange as it may seem
8x11 came into production. These early ones were Cellulose Acetate. They came
out in Architectural sets #750, #751 and #752, as well as spare parts packs
#518, #519, #520 and #521. These plates (except the 8x11) were continuously
produced in spare parts packs until 1972.
The 10x20 (thick) base plate was produced in grey since 1955, and was the main
and most popular color (out of 6 colors) for base plates throughout the 1960's.
The 50x50 thin base plate came out in 1965 (Christmas 1964) and has been very
popular ever since (although it was shrunken down to 48x48 many years ago).
And a comment on another post, black bricks, which came out in 1962 (again,
Christmas 1961), were produced all at once in all brick sizes (except the 2x8,
2x10 bricks) and a year later in all small plate sizes. Black bricks were
available in all these sizes in spare parts packs, but ironically were found in
very few sets until Lego trains came into production.
When I have time I will have to check out the 1950's and 1960's dates for color
parts. There are a lot of innaccuracies in those decades, partly because of a
lack of documentation and sets available from back then.
Gary Istok
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| (...) Normal grey bricks like 2x2, 2x3, and 2x4 were available in abundance in 1960/61 in expansion sets like 218, 219 and 220. Also, as far as I know, grey plates were used in 1957 in set 323, Train. Arne, Copenhagen (20 years ago, 3-Dec-04, to lugnet.color, lugnet.lego, lugnet.general)
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