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Well, I'll risk putting in my two cents, and being thought a fool... I have trouble accessing RTL from time to time. Most recently, I keep getting that there are no new mesages, when I know for a fact that ther are. I had thisa problem once befoore, (...) (26 years ago, 21-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Well, one way would be to put a link on various web pages...I'm more than willing to put one on my pages,, such as they are...I am sure there are many folks who appreciate the job you've done in creating LUGNET, and would probably do the same. (...) (26 years ago, 23-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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Here are a few comments that stand out in my mind -- things that get to the heart of the matter on a social level. I'd like to hear more opinions on these points... Robert M. Dye: (...) This seems to be a recurring theme lately, spoken in slightly (...) (26 years ago, 29-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Here goes, but I'd like to hear some response from you on whether you agree with my technical comments (about article expiration and content based verification, specifically) or not. :-) Note that due to size I am putting footnotes on the same (...) (26 years ago, 29-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Todd, I am new to the newgroup, but have been using RTL extensively for some time. The only way I found out about this set of newgroups was a post on RTL that mentioned them. Active recruitment in RTL would be essential to bring new members (...) (26 years ago, 29-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message <366163a8.4473573@lu...et.com>... (...) <snipped most of the discussion.....> (...) I'm not sure about this. I really enjoyed RTL for some time, did some good trades, and shared a joke or two. I don't even look there (...) (26 years ago, 29-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) But, requiring people to reveal true names, and to be civil IS a barrier. A good barrier, and one 98% (1) of the community will have no difficulty crossing. Call it a filter if you will. But it's a filter I wish maintained. I prefer not to (...) (26 years ago, 29-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) You may be 100% right, before I tackle any of those questions, I need to come to a better understanding of section 202 of the new Digital Millenium Copyright Act of the 105th Congress. It deals with limitations on liabilities for Internet (...) (26 years ago, 29-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Let me state that a slightly different way -- It is not supposed to be a place for a few select people to congregate and behave in a way that is natural for them (which just happens to be civil). It is supposed to be a place for everyone to (...) (26 years ago, 29-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) It's my perception anyway, I have heard many people saying that they no longer post to RTL. (...) Well not if RTL was used instead of lugnet.general (but as has been said they have different purposes), then LUGNET people would still post to (...) (26 years ago, 29-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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Todd Lehman wrote: <snip> (...) This would be a good thing. I'd say it ought to just present the facts in a fairly dry way. All the "evangelists" would have a copy and just post it in reply. I could take a swag, I guess. (26 years ago, 29-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) ^^^...^^^ (...) ^^^...^^^ (...) ^^^...^^^ (...) ^^^...^^^ (...) Interesting... OK, so there are still probably quite a few people out there who don't read RTL regularly enough to have noticed that there are specialized newsgroups here... And (...) (26 years ago, 29-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Agreed. When I first started reading RTL (May 97?), I would read virtually each and every post. And I enjoyed doing so. Now I skip the majority of it, only occasionally parsing a thread to see what it's about. Often, as in the case of the (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) OK, fair enough. What I meant by it not being designed as a barrier was that its original intent was not to be a barrier, even though in practice it is of course a small barrier. I hate to see it tossed about AS a barrier as if that were its (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Yes. As would getting it updated. I think we all acknowledge that doing a FAQ is a labor of love, and **I** certainly don't have time, but it is pretty out of date in spots. In fact, I think a few canned responses to general sorts of questions (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Swag: (done rather quickly, so hack away) -- begin -- To old and new readers of RTL: There is another place to share the joy of Lego, make friends, share ideas, and participate in our special community. LUGNET is a privately hosted, fan (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Maybe the FAQ isn't posted there often enough...might that help? --Todd (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Drat. Here's something: Note that unlike usenet, LUGNET is a private service and in order to participate you will need to reveal your real name. Further, LUGNET requires you to acknowledge that you will abide by the LUGNET terms and conditions (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I think part of it is that some of the more civil voices are gone. A lot of the recent flames seem to be about the same things over and over. The same people come on and spam the same thing day after day and that starts things all over again. (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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Todd, I would like to suggest that you have a specific page (one screen) that outlines the Lugnet's goals, services, and explains why a sign up procedure is required. This page will have links to the main page, and sign in page and any general (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) ...<snip> I suggest that the letter be shorter, and not include every detail of Lugnet. I could group RTL in to the following, those who have not heard of Lugnet, and those that have but aren't leaving for whatever reason. I suggest that the (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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On Mon, 30 Nov 1998 02:24:23 GMT, lehman@javanet.com (Todd Lehman) wrote: :> RTL prior to LUGNET had order, of sorts, because the old timers, who :> knew each other, enforced it via suasion, peer pressure, and ultimately :> ostracism (to an extent). (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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Terry K wrote in message <3661fca9.1478769@lu...et.com>... (...) Well, I've bailed out, for the most part. I just don't have the time anymore to wade through 80 auctions and messages about things that do not interest me. Then there are all the (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message <366163a8.4473573@lu...et.com>... (...) Yes. But I wouldn't call the serious nature of the posts over here "belief." I'd call it fact. How many flame wars have we had here in Lugnet? None. How many off-topic.debate (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Quick note: generally speaking, this is not a true statement. But, if you apply the filter of being able to use a keyboard and access the internet, it may be true for the remaining 'everyone'. Steve (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I didn't mean to suggest that it hadn't started happening...sorry for the confusion... What I meant to address was the question of the consequences in the mind as it happens -- in how people view it. If people cross that line _and_ they start (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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Larry, This is a great start! My edits/suggestions/comments below... --Todd (...) ^^^...^^^ I wonder if there is another salutation which would suggest inside-hood -- such as "fellow RTL'ers:" -- rather than possible outside-hood...? Not that (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message <3662c0ff.8026676@lu...et.com>... <snipped Todd's translation of Larry's excellent first stab at the letter... (...) Todd, it never ceases to amaze me how some people can turn words around and make me see things from a (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ It's probably best to say "the LUGNET newsgroups" here because the thing that will be known later as "LUGNET" doesn't exist yet. And certainly, the service that exists there now with the newsgroups is only a small part of what (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Maybe "Everyone can read the lugnet postings, but before posting new messages, you must agree to follow some basic rules of netiquette and agree to conditions of use."? (...) ... or missed messages because your ISP didn't pick up some (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Linc has brought up some good ideas. Also, I believe there is already a link to the lugnet main page from Michael Dorneich's Everything Lego page, which every Lego newbie will find sooner or later. (...) Since there is such a concern that (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) Not only possible, but IMO true. Snobbery arrives subtlely. :) (...) Ya, well, you're only saying that because it's true ;-) It seems as though a question like, "Where can I get black helmets?" ellicits an (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message <3662a9e2.2109338@lu...et.com>... (...) I don't think the Lugnet people are of the mindset to label. Excessively. (...) So it's going to be carried here but not only here? My mistake. Now I see almost no reason to argue (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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Steve/Larry, I think these are good additions/changes... --Todd (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Don't worry -- it's literally impossible for anyone to "move" rtl anywhere, short of convincing everyone (well, at least every news admin) in the world to change. (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Nah, it's 100% my mistake -- I shouldn't have used the word "hosted" in the subject line -- I should have used "carried." "Should RTL be carried on this server?" (...) Aha, yes -- good point -- too much potential for accusations of elitism (in (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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I couldn't find the bit in here that might be relevant, so snipped it all! I would imagine that, due to the lack of flame-wars, the more productive and useful postings, the Organization of LUGnet, makes it a much more viable vehicle with which to (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I wish to apologise to fellow LUGnet users my participation in that thread, not my initial post to that thread, rather my profane, inane responses that had subsequently emerged. An irrational, defensive reaction, which only further fuelled the (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) ", so you are sure to find information in your area of interest." (...) Thanks for writing the post. Some advocacy is necessary for encouraging participation. Besides the post could be updated from time to time. (26 years ago, 1-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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Todd Lehman wrote in message <3662a9e2.2109338@lu...et.com>... :I think it used to be -- at least we :heard happy stories from time to time -- that people with limited interest :in LEGO would stumble into RTL and then discover how wonderful LEGO & (...) (26 years ago, 1-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) It really has been the doing of one individual, believe it or not, as the catalyst (with the help of some regulars of course). Reminds me of the Mandroid days. These too, I suspect, will pass. Barry (26 years ago, 1-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I'm on board with them. However my bandwidth just dried up. Can someone take a stab at a repost incorporating Todd's and Steve's changes? Do it as a single block and posters can mark it up again. Don't bother with revision bars, et al, none of (...) (26 years ago, 1-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) "Robert M. Dye" <robdye@writeme.com> writes: (...) "Linc Smith" <ldsmith@pfc.forestry.ca> writes: (...) OK, we made up a couple buttons -- here is the page... (URL) are designed to link to the main root homepage (rather than the news page), (...) (26 years ago, 1-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I think so. From the body of text, it's not immediately apparent how to post and browse. Maybe you should just put a *short* introduction with a link to more details, and then have links to browsing, posting, and posting setup. For the (...) (26 years ago, 2-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) can think of is "LUGNET: LEGO News, Weather, and Sports". That probably isn't the best thing to go with. Steve (26 years ago, 2-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Sounds like you've got an idea/concept/vision for some text, but you're not happy with the way it's coming out in words...? Maybe back up a bit -- block the end result out of your mind for a minute -- pretend someone is sitting next to you and (...) (26 years ago, 3-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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Well, we didn't finish this, did we? Here is a revised copy of the blurb incorporating all the changes I could find. Do people think with these revisions, it's good to go? -- start -- To fellow RTL'ers: There is another place to share the joy of (...) (26 years ago, 28-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Posted. 'Twil be interesting to see what ensues. (26 years ago, 28-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Looks good to me!! --Tood (26 years ago, 28-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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