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Re: Should RTL be hosted on this server?
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lugnet.general
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Mon, 30 Nov 1998 14:54:55 GMT
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"Jesse Long" <LongJR97@hotmail.com> writes:
> [...]
> > What concerns me here (and again, I'm not pointing any fingers) is what
> > happens as more and more people cross the line between "the quality of RTL
> > is starting to decay and that is sad" and "RTL has decayed and is no
> > longer worth anything and is a bunch of riff-raff."
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> Can you show me that it hasn't?
I didn't mean to suggest that it hadn't started happening...sorry for the
confusion... What I meant to address was the question of the consequences
in the mind as it happens -- in how people view it. If people cross that
line _and_ they start name-calling or label-applying, then it's a big
concern to me. I'd like to think that we are all happy to be here, but not
too proud (in the bad sense of the word). Y'know?
> > The fact that a change is visible after only 60 days is interesting.
> > As the scale further tilts (if it continues to do so), what types of
> > people will it repel and what types of people will it attract?
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> It will attract serious Lego fans and repel those with only limited interest
> in Lego.
That's a problem, then, isn't it. I think it used to be -- at least we
heard happy stories from time to time -- that people with limited interest
in LEGO would stumble into RTL and then discover how wonderful LEGO & RTL
really are and become much more "into" LEGO as an adult fan -- they realized
as they stayed around in RTL for a month or two how truly deep the hobby is.
How about this news server? Does it attract only serious LEGO fans and
repel those with limited interest, or does it attact both? Does it repel
anyone (meaning, really to _repel_ with disgust more than to dishearten)?
> Yes, yes, and I'm not sure, but it turned me off to RTL to see all the
> spamming and flaming and totally non-Lego stuff (especially the sales
> pitches for the toy sellers).
What if a subset of RTL message were carried here -- for example only
messages that were pure ASCII text (no HTML/MIME/binaries) and only messages
that were posted by people who've gone through the Lugnet news-posting
setup?
What you would have then is a different "flavor" of RTL -- not 100% "clean"
but certainly free of much of the "unclean" stuff which people find
objectionable.
Would something like that be helpful or harmful here? Would it be helpful
or harmful to RTL?
If it did happen, one downside would be that people posting messages to RTL
and reading RTL here only would not see all of the replies to their
messages. It would be like killfiling everyone who hadn't gone through the
news-posting setup here.
> > That's the big question: Is more togetherness a step forward or a step
> > backward? And is bringing RTL to the newsserver here actually more
> > togetherness or is it the same level of togetherness?
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> Sorry to beat this dead horse, but explain to me how a server change might
> change anything besides the perceptions of those people who will
> automatically think that they were free and totally unrestrained on usenet
> and will be moderated "unfairly" on Lugnet.
Oh -- we're not talking about a server _change_ for RTL, as in carrying it
_only_ on this server; we're talking about possibly carrying it _also_ on
this server. It would still of course be carried on thousands of other
newsserver around the world just as it is now.
If it was going be carried _only_ here, there wouldn't be any point because
it wouldn't be any different from the other groups here. The larger issue
is whether or not to let RTL/Usenet drift further and further apart from the
private newsserver here, or to prevent drift as much as possible and keep
the two communities united.
I never wanted there to be two communities. Rather, one community with two
meeting places (the groups here and RTL).
Maybe it's inescapable. I don't know.
> If you changed it over right now and didn't tell anyone why (or said you had
> to consolidate), would anyone care? As I said before, I didn't even know
> you ran/hosted/whatever RTL until this all started. I think the revelation
> that you do will cause more "damage" than actually changing it over.
Sorry about the confusion -- no one runs RTL -- not me, not anyone -- RTL is
part of Usenet, which is self-regulated.
Bringing RTL here just would mean hosting it here as yet another newsgroup,
but with it still being available everywhere else exactly as-is.
--Todd
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| Todd Lehman wrote in message <3662a9e2.2109338@lu...et.com>... (...) I don't think the Lugnet people are of the mindset to label. Excessively. (...) So it's going to be carried here but not only here? My mistake. Now I see almost no reason to argue (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
| | | Re: Should RTL be hosted on this server?
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| Todd Lehman wrote in message <3662a9e2.2109338@lu...et.com>... :I think it used to be -- at least we :heard happy stories from time to time -- that people with limited interest :in LEGO would stumble into RTL and then discover how wonderful LEGO & (...) (26 years ago, 1-Dec-98, to lugnet.general)
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| | Re: Should RTL be hosted on this server?
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| Todd Lehman wrote in message <366163a8.4473573@lu...et.com>... (...) Yes. But I wouldn't call the serious nature of the posts over here "belief." I'd call it fact. How many flame wars have we had here in Lugnet? None. How many off-topic.debate (...) (26 years ago, 30-Nov-98, to lugnet.general)
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