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Since I just (URL) asked this question> about BrickFest PDX 2007... Can the organizers of BrickWorld 2007 tell us who (if anyone) will be profiting from this year’s event? I noticed (URL) this statement> from a few months back: None of the event or (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) I'm just curious: what leads you to think that this type of information should be public knowledge? It's as if you believe that fest organizers are somehow obligated to account for every penny to the GP, and AFOLs in particular. Do you suspect (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) There isn't anything wrong with either a for-profit or non-profit AFOL event. Any of these answers are perfectly fine: John Smith will be profiting from this event. Corporation X, LLC will be profiting from this event. This is a non-profit (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) Why would it matter one way or the other? That's what I'm curious about. Is it like the reason why people like to read People Magazine? (...) They aren't legally obligated to do so for one. It's none of our business for two. It doesn't matter (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) The people running any type of LEGO hobby event/expo/fest/world etc... such as BrickFest, BrickWorld, LEGOWORLD in Zwolle, 1000Steinland, and any other private or public event don't need to answer or report to the general public. For anyone (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) I won't rehash all of the arguments here. There are many reasons why people treat non-profit and for-profit entities differently - many were discussed in (URL) this thread> about BF '06. If there is no difference between them, when was the (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) So, you have a problem volunteering or attending a LEGO fest where someone might profit? I mean, until the fest is over and the monies counted, how will the organizer even know if they lose money, break-even, or profit? I bet you don't lose (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) I have no problem with attending a for-profit event as long as I know that it's a for-profit event. I would have a problem attending an event that gave the impression of being non-profit while actually being for-profit. I would not volunteer (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) i'm not going to pick sides, as i really don't care to, but if anyone decided to continue this debate please move it to where it belongs: lugnet.off-topic.debate thank you, ondrew p.s i'm not trying to be mean i'm just tring to keep off topic (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld)
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(...) I have been informed by the event coordinators that BrickWorld is a for-profit event owned by Bryan Bonahoom and Adam Tucker, and that they would control any potential profits from the event. The statement quoted above is apparently incorrect. (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) I'm not sure you understand the definition of the word 'volunteer'. (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) How is that impression given, short of actually telling people, "we are a non-profit organization". The logistics in creating a non-profit alone are prohibitive IMO. (...) lol, (URL) what Al said>:-) (...) Not at all. It is a non sequitur. (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) Though I'm no expert at such things, I suspect that lugnet.events is the appropriate place: lugnet.events– Organized community events, festivals, competitions, tournaments, shows, etc.: announcements, ideas, collaboration, planning, (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) Community - We at Brickworld do not like the concept of this discussion so we have remained quiet pulicly. We responded privately to Mr. Nelson because he, and he alone, seemed to be asking a question. Nr. Nelson has chosen to take part of our (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) Calling for volunteers does give the impression something is a non-profit, yes. (...) So you're saying volunteers shouldn't be compensated, right? I agree with you there, I just think it should apply to all volunteers involved in an event. (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) Not to me it doesn't. It gives the impression that the organisation is calling for volunteers. One of the biggest music festivals in Australia uses volunteers for a number of jobs. As an example they work a few hours at the door and in (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) I understand that non-profits pay their workers - my wife works for one! But non-profits don't have 'owners' who can lay claim to any extra funds; they are run by boards who are obligated to use those funds to further the goals of the (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) I think I did, listing them numerically, in fact. For example, and to get a little blue-- the sex life of a married couple is a Good Thing™, but that doesn't mean it isn't because they choose not to discuss it in public. Wouldn't you agree? (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) I just had to go search Google for "Non-profit" and the second listing was "Non-Profit jobs at Careerbuilder.com" Who wants a non-profit Job? Do people who work for nonprofit charitable organizations get paid? (...) I have to think a MAJOR (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld)
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In lugnet.events.brickworld, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) Hear Hear!! Dave K (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld)
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(...) Mostly, I think it comes down to community volunteers. Lots of people out there were viewing this purely from an attendee standpoint. And yes, from an attendee standpoint, who cares if the 'fest is for-profit or not? If you get your money's (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) There is that--I mean, once being a member of Boy Scouts for many many years, I know that there was lots of coinage from my pocketbook that went to whatever event I was running/volunteered for and with nary a thought of reimburement. Boy (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) If you did this at Brickworld, and BW made money, from what they've said (the quote Marc posted) they would offer to reimburse you for the prize(s). To me, one very important fact is that the organizers of BW have a multi-year contract with (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld)
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(...) I don't have any affiliation with BrickWorld. I'm not even attending, since, well, I don't make enough profit of my own to afford the travel. The fact is, they *don't* have to be upfront about it. It's their business. They've stated that they (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) This whole "profit" "non-profit" conversation is a straw man. AFAIK there have never been any "non-profit" organizations putting on LEGO fests. Non-profit is a category of organization with a specific legal status. What this whole thing boils (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) The fact is the *DO* have to be upfront about it *IF* they want me to pay money to attend the event and how many MOCs they want me to bring. I consider any AFOL bringing a MOC to a public event, where the public is charged admission, a (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) If it takes knowing where the money goes before you volunteer, then that would be your decision to volunteer or not. Nothing wrong with that at all. What I was saying is that they are not obligated to share that information with anyone. If (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) I don't think "bringing a MOC" is a valid argument for being a volunteer unless you have a following of people who and pay to get into events purely to see YOUR art. Which YOU probably do since you're famous. ;) I bring a MOC for display and (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld)
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(...) While I agree in a capitalist sense, I don't agree in a realistic sense. Perhaps it might help if we weren't talking about BrickFest/BrickWorld per se. Or, perhaps if we were talking about them 10 years in the future. I dunno. Anyway, here's (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) You missunderstand me, I think. I wouldn't be skipping out because I'm not making a buck. I'm not interested in going to an event to make money, I do it because I love building with LEGO. I would skip out on an event if others were making a (...) (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld)
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(...) Thanks for that, Junior. I haven't heard from Bryan and Adam for ages - probably since the summer of '69. (17 years ago, 15-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, they had just gotten their first real six-string, as I recall... JOHN (17 years ago, 16-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) Okay, I'll bite.... ...I bought it at the 5 and dime...played it 'til my fingers bled... LMAO Bryan (17 years ago, 16-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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"Bryan Bonahoom" <bbonahoom@funtimete...ogies.com> wrote in message news:JEz8no.n97@lugnet.com... (...) Were those the best days of your life? -Rob www.brickmodder.net (17 years ago, 16-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) In the UK train shows (in my experience) are run by clubs, rather than companies set up to running shows as some seem to be in US (correct me if I am wrong). Yes, they are for profit (or at least that the aim!), the profit goes to help offset (...) (17 years ago, 16-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) I heard a rumour about a girl on her mama's porch--naughty boy! Dave K (17 years ago, 16-Mar-07, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) A pox on the daughters of the Tims! JOHN (17 years ago, 16-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) I think that this sort of information is VERY important when an event is soliciting the public for volunteers, especially if they are actually expecting people to volunteer their time and effort. The intention/purpose of the show is also very (...) (17 years ago, 17-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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This seems like a simple question. Why is it not answered? Tim is always negative,no matter what. Besides who really cares, someone should just answer the question without getting into philosophy. John P (17 years ago, 17-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) With all the posts on this subject, I'm sure it's easy to miss the posts where this has been said. But, it has been said. The organizers have said more than once that any "extra" money will be used to make future events better. They have a (...) (17 years ago, 17-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld)
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(...) Community, John asks above - why is the simple question not answered? In our minds, it has been answered - several times. Please refer to the most recent reference to the answer: (URL) We hope you can all find a way to be part of Brickworld. (...) (17 years ago, 17-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) It has also been answered several ways: 1. (URL): You also asked about money. Bryan and Adam are assuming the financial risk (and its large) for the event. And, while the event is not being created to make money there is the possibility that (...) (17 years ago, 17-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) ... (...) Marc, From all the examples you listed, it appears several people have tried to answer your questions. Wouldn't you agree? Personally, I don't understand what you think they are trying to hide. If you want to assume people that run (...) (17 years ago, 17-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX) !
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(...) Really? I have just finished reading every post in this group and could not find a place where the organizers have said this. If it was said somewhere else, then it probably should be repeated here for those of us who do not read every post on (...) (17 years ago, 17-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld)
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Bryan has contacted me privately and assured me that both his statement below, and David Gregory's previous statement about nobody making money, are truthful and accurate. As these are unambiguous statements, this clears up the whole issue for me in (...) (17 years ago, 17-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld)
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In lugnet.events.brickworld, Marc Nelson Jr. wrote: <snip> (...) I'm with Steve H on this one--the clips you yourself have taken and compiled into your post are not contradictory and they do lay out, at least in my mind, what's going to happen with (...) (17 years ago, 17-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) The question was: who, if anyone, will be profiting from this event. I started with the assumption that no one would be profiting, since I was going by David's message. After reading Bryan's email, I thought he was saying that he and Adam (...) (17 years ago, 18-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) I don't think making money from an AFOL event is tantamount to "screwing us hobbyists" - but I also don't think it's right to make money from an event without telling volunteers and attendees what their time, effort, and money is going (...) (17 years ago, 18-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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Bryan, Thank you for your post and informing the community of the intentions of your organization of BrickWorld 07. I have interspersed some comments among your points. Please read them carefully and in a positive frame of mind. They are not (...) (17 years ago, 19-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) snip (...) snip (...) Troy, Well stated! I concur completely. Todd (17 years ago, 19-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) John, I agree with most of your comments and I appreciate your keeping the other side of this arguement. I would like to point out that I feel that a NPO is different than a private company. WalMart is a private company that is not required to (...) (17 years ago, 19-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX)
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(...) I know I'm a little late to this discussion, but here I am. :) It's funny to be reading this discussion this week, as I was just discussing the same thread about a different subject last week. I've been doing quite a bit of conference speaking (...) (17 years ago, 20-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld, FTX) !
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(...) To be clear, I was commenting generally on the discussion, not really in reference specifically to any details of this incident. I found the parallels between this current discussion and the other discussions I was having with separate (...) (17 years ago, 21-Mar-07, to lugnet.events.brickworld)
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