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(...) Hello, First of all, I think you are in the wrong news group. LCD is about connections not colours. You probably better of in the main lugnet.cad.dev group Second you are right about the DITHER keyword, personally i think it is a typo and (...) (13 years ago, 4-Apr-11, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Questions concerning the implementation of the LDraw Colour Definition Language Extension
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Greetings everyone, I am a newbie to this mailing list, but I have been using LDraw-oriented software for close to a decade now. I am currently developing (and have been, in my spare time for several years) a sandbox-style building game called (...) (13 years ago, 4-Apr-11, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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Hi gang, playing around with colors I was floored by the fact that we do not have a LDraw color number or RGBs for quite a lot of LEGO colors. In addition our RGBs sometimes differ a lot from the official colors: (URL) remember the time when we were (...) (16 years ago, 29-Aug-08, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: New LDraw based editor... GLIDE.
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Daniel Bennett schrieb: (...) Are there any improvements from that time? It would be interesting. cu mikeheide (16 years ago, 5-Nov-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Introducing SR 3D Builder - a LDraw editor by Sergio Reano
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I proxy this on behalf of Sergio Reano, who for some technical reasons is not able to post to LUGNET. Please post here your comments but cc: also to Sergio via mail. Hi everybody, my name is Sergio Reano and I'm a programmer and Lego fun from Italy. (...) (17 years ago, 5-Oct-07, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, lugnet.announce, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd) !!
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| | Re: ...large project anyone?
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(...) Hi Tim, May be you should get a try at LeoCAM, a LeoCad derivative incorporating LCD-like features: (URL) yours, - damien (19 years ago, 20-Jul-05, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | LDraw Browser (was: LSC - request for defining a WORKING connection database standard)
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(...) SNIP-SNAP (...) hi damien, I wrote that request more than a year ago! meanwhile I've made up my mind. I agree that this would be very time consuming and I got convinced that we will probably never see such a feature in any of the editor (...) (19 years ago, 19-Jul-05, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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--SNIP-- (...) I'm going to go a bit more general here so this is an answer to both parent and grandparent and probably other relatives too. -- Why does one person need to do the whole thing? We have a wealth of skills and experience in the Lego CAD (...) (19 years ago, 18-Jul-05, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: LSC - request for defining a WORKING connection database standard
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(...) nod, yes. (...) Add to this the fact that to get a working connection-enabled tool, you need start with (or at least develop along the way) a working GUI-based editing tool. That really narrows the field of potential (...) (19 years ago, 18-Jul-05, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: LSC - request for defining a WORKING connection database standard
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(...) Hi Willy, I think "working" needs a tool. 1. there is a tool 2. there is a developping database There is no chicken-egg problem: the tool always precedes the database. Would you model parts without MLCad, LeoCad or LDraw? I doubt anybody (...) (19 years ago, 18-Jul-05, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: LSC - request for defining a WORKING connection database standard
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(...) Note that Rosco already did take a crack at a few, including generating some images for them, and in doing so, found a problem in one I created, and caused me to decide to add fields to the connectionTypeBox, which is goodness. Thanks! (...) I (...) (19 years ago, 18-Jul-05, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: LSC - request for defining a WORKING connection database standard
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(...) While a connection database could be helpful, I just cant help thinking that a relationship/constrain system like solidworks and Pro/Engineer use could acheive a lot more. It could certainly be a start, then simplified - so the CAD (...) (19 years ago, 18-Jul-05, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: LSC - request for defining a WORKING connection database standard
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I'm not sure where this standard definition is at these days, or whether it could be used to automate what I'm doing by a clever MetaWiki robot coder, but I (and others) started capturing some connection information in BrickWiki ( (URL) ) You can (...) (19 years ago, 17-Jul-05, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: New LDraw based editor... GLIDE.
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Hi I’m now working on GLIDE and clicking again. I have moved house and job which is why I have not done any work on GLIDE over the last 6 months or so. Version 0.74 is now available for download. (URL) can now set the background colour of an edit (...) (19 years ago, 11-Jan-05, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: New LDraw based editor... GLIDE. Click authors required.
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I should point out that priority and override are features of GLIDE and are not explicitly specified in the format. (20 years ago, 23-Jun-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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(...) I have tried to accommodate these sorts of behaviours in two ways: Priority and override. If two parts have different behaviours like a "dot" and a "Brick" the one that is moved to form the connection is the one that takes priority. If you (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jun-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: New LDraw based editor... GLIDE.
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(...) Not just yet please... I’d like to get clicking working first before GLIDE gets announced to the world at large. Unfortunately experience tells me that my time estimates on programming are always a bit optimistic. I "think" I will be able to (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jun-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: New LDraw based editor... GLIDE. Click authors required.
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(...) Long-term, making connection data a part of the library would be awesome. Short-term, getting a working implementation should be the focus. Dan (Bennett) - would you like some publicity for GLIDE and click authors on LDraw.org? I can't spare (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jun-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: New LDraw based editor... GLIDE. Click authors required.
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(...) Note also that a 1x4 brick can be attached to a 2x4 brick anywhere on about 70-80 degree angle if only attached by the end stud - its only the other studs hitting the sides that restrict it. ROSCO (20 years ago, 23-Jun-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: New LDraw based editor... GLIDE. Click authors required.
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I guess I'm thinking about this differently. It's not that the individual studs on the brick don't allow other mating angles. (IE you can place a 1 x 6 technic plate with rounded ends on any single stud at some funcky angles) It's the combination of (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jun-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: New LDraw based editor... GLIDE. Click authors required.
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(...) I really like the way the .dat format reuses geometry e.g. stud.dat. I think the clicking format should be able to do the same thing. I imagine that would be quite a bit more difficult to reuse if the clicking info was in the dat files. (...) (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jun-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: New LDraw based editor... GLIDE. Click authors required.
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(...) I do indeed think it would be undesirable. As we all know Stud.dat gets used every ware. There are a fair few instances were the clicking behaviours of two bricks would be different even though they are both referencing the same stud.dat file (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jun-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: New LDraw based editor... GLIDE. Click authors required.
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(...) I agree, but in the short term, I think seperate files may be simpler. (...) I thought so too, but the format document (way at the bottom) implies that this might be undesirable. I'm not sure I understand why, though : ( (20 years ago, 22-Jun-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: New LDraw based editor... GLIDE. Click authors required.
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(...) There's a difference between supporting POV inline (which is not controlled in the community) and supporting LCD info (which could be integrated into the DAT format). I'd like to see programs support both options - both as an external .lcd (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jun-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: New LDraw based editor... GLIDE. Click authors required.
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The it would be slick to have the LCD info in the dat file, but it might complicate issues being dicussed by the Ldraw committee : ( It seems that pov style includes aren't allowd in official files either so maybe keeping it seperate for a while (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jun-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: New LDraw based editor... GLIDE. Click authors required.
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(...) inline in a valid DAT file? Perhaps make all the lines start with a "0 LCD" before anything else? Then, when reading a DAT file, a program can recognize and parse LCD info, in addition to looking for the .lcd file. Does that make sense? Do you (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jun-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: New LDraw based editor... GLIDE. Click authors required.
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Hi Glide has been on hold now for about a month but its back in development. You can look forward to clicking bricks in about two to three weeks. Once I have the system implemented is there anyone out there who would be prepared to start writing (...) (20 years ago, 22-Jun-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dat.parts)
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| | Re: LCD draft spec comment
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(...) If this is a feature that is used deliberately and often enough to motivate a software model for it, it would be possible to encode a combination of hard constraints, demonstrating the normal and preferred connection method, and additional (...) (20 years ago, 22-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: LCD draft spec comment
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(...) would find most useful is technic axle in it's hole - there's quite a significant clearance between them. Not sure the best way to handle such things. ROSCO (20 years ago, 22-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: LCD draft spec comment
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(...) Hi I am currently working on my own version of LCD. (URL) was thinking of adding some kind over-ride to the angle of movement for each connection. This clinches it, I will. The format itself could hold single-studs that lock at 90 degrees or (...) (20 years ago, 22-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | LCD draft spec comment
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Nothing much seems to be happening with the LCD spec, but I read it through and have a comment, in case anyone is listening. If not, at least this lands in the archives. The "stud inlet" and the "turnable stud inlet" should not be distinguished in (...) (20 years ago, 20-May-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: LSC - request for defining a WORKING connection database standard
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(...) I would love to see a connection database for the LDraw system With that we might be able to make a simulator. This could be handy for test driving ideas as well as good for animations. Kevin (20 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: LSC - request for defining a WORKING connection database standard
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(...) I like the idea of connections. I think it's really neat and would like to see it realised. I support asking LSC to look into this further. But I fear that requiring authors to submit a .cdl file might be increasing the barriers to entry for (...) (20 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | LSC - request for defining a WORKING connection database standard
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dear LSC members, LEGO Digital Designer (URL) has only one feature I really miss in the LDraw system: the snap-in behavior. guys, I'd like to ask you - no I beg you down on my knees - to define a working standard for a connection database. there is (...) (20 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | Re: Any news about LCD and LMPL ?
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(...) Things that are unapplicable for a specific part (model, object etc.) should not be used with it. For example, you can't rotate an Axle--Axlehole connection because it can slide only. Therefore, all statements, functions and properties related (...) (20 years ago, 12-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | Re: Any news about LCD and LMPL ?
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(...) looks intriguing! the only thing I do not properly understand is the size statement. this simplyfied statement makes sense for ordinary plates and bricks of square or rectangular shape, but not wings, wedges, corners ... have you bounced this (...) (20 years ago, 11-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, FTX)
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| | Re: Any news about LCD and LMPL ?
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(...) Well, Willy, as you could read in my posting </cad/?n=10984 The LCD guys strike again,> LCD and LMPL is available for download. Meanwhile, I've established my new site at (URL); you'll found my Lego related works on the personal home page. (...) (20 years ago, 7-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, FTX)
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| | Re: Any news about LCD and LMPL ?
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(...) w. ps. no it's not a joke! yes, it's a serious question. (20 years ago, 7-Mar-04, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: the LCD guys strike again :-)
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(...) Hi Damien, sorry for not being here for a long while. The fact is that, at the time when I invented LCD and LMPL, I were using a slow dialup account with large phone bills. I was unable to visit Lugnet often and I could answer private mail (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jan-04, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: the LCD guys strike again :-)
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(...) That's GREAT news! I have e-mailed Atilla about LMPL status but never got answer. Thanks Tim, Thanks Atilla, Damien (21 years ago, 28-Apr-03, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Any news about LCD and LMPL ?
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Damien (22 years ago, 19-Oct-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: Read and draw .dat files
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(...) Hello Alex! Ldraw files are made of text lines. Typically, in model files (that contain parts), lines begin with numbers lower than 2 0: comment 1: part (position and orientation) Typically, in part files (that contain primitives), lines begin (...) (22 years ago, 19-Oct-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Read and draw .dat files
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Hello, everybody! I am making a program that simulate a robot movement made with Lego (the robot draw is already made in Ldraw format) on a computer screen. And I pretend to use parts in .dat. I tried to learn it from ldglite but it is too complex (...) (22 years ago, 29-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: Updating other persons parts?
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[XFUT lugnet.cad.dev] (...) As long as you've tried to make contact, and not gotten a response, go ahead and make your changes. Steve (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev)
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What is the official stance on updating parts done by other people? I did some modifications to part 2485 on the tracker and have tried to send it to the orignal author, but am not sure wether he got it or not. (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Hidden male connectors (studs)
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Hello LCD "community", As female connectors (mainly stud inlets) can effectively hide male connectors (mainly studs), we should ensure that the LCD project do not waste such an opportunity to further speed up LDraw display. I think this possibility (...) (22 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: What is the state of LMPL proposal?
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(...) KACS is working, as I know, but he has other tasks too. We must be patient; he is often slow, but the result worths the time. (Damien, would you be so kind to forward this mail to the group? It needs a lot of work to respond on the website (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | What is the state of LMPL proposal?
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Is it deferred or still coming soon? Damien (22 years ago, 9-Mar-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | I hold ALM until LMPL publication
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Hi Kiss Attila Csongor, Hi Láng Attila D, Now I stop talking about LCD or LMPL, until publication. Before publication I can not evaluate if my own approach has any "added value". Termolo is a general purpose language with simplistic syntax. Before (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | I hold ALM, at least until LMPL publication
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Hi Kiss Attila Csongor, Hi Láng Attila D, Now I stop talking about LCD or LMPL, until publication. Before publication I can not evaluate if my own approach has any "added value". Termolo is a general purpose language with simplistic syntax. Before (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: Will LMPL be Simulation-approach or Usage-approach ?
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DG> Do not forget to download Spiderbot.dat (in lugnet.cad.models) It came automatically via e-mail. :) DG> We embody two different well-known approaches. Both of LCD and LMPL embody these two approaches. DG> First : the Simulation approach. DG> And (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re[4]: I have read the article about LCD
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Hi Damien! DG> Now you speak about layers. DG> That is precisely what I called "multiple syntax levels". DG> Software layers are known to be very bad for software engineering and design DG> in general. I don't think so. What about object oriented (...) (22 years ago, 27-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Will LMPL be Simulation-approach or Usage-approach ?
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Hi Láng Attila D. Hi Kiss Attila Csongor, Do not forget to download Spiderbot.dat (in lugnet.cad.models) The debate becomes VERY interesting. We embody two different well-known approaches. First : the Simulation approach. Things are nothing but (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: Re[2]: I have read the article about LCD
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(...) Hello Láng Attila D. Hello Kiss Attila Csongor, Now you speak about layers. That is precisely what I called "multiple syntax levels". Software layers are known to be very bad for software engineering and design in general. On the contrary, ALM (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re[2]: I have read the article about LCD
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Hi all, hello Damien! DG> This thread is not very frequented now. DG> May be because the debate has to become much more technical. Yes, there is not so many traffic here nowadays. We knew this will be a long project because it's a big project with (...) (22 years ago, 26-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: I have read the article about LCD
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Hello Láng Attila D. and Hello Kiss Attila Csongor, This thread is not very frequented now. May be because the debate has to become much more technical. (...) I mean if LMPL is not sufficient, we are in danger to either add more and more syntax (...) (22 years ago, 25-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: I have read the article about LCD
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(...) What are you meaning by multiple syntax levels, Damien? (...) Let me report that LMPL is almost ready. It is going to be published soon. (...) LMPL contains these in theory. (...) Of course we should. (...) Well, this seems to be usable. In (...) (22 years ago, 25-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | I have read the article about LCD
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I have read the article about LCD. The primary usage of an LCad library is to provide many quality virtual parts. So the future of LDraw library is more and better parts. The primary usage of an LCad tool is to select and position virtual parts. So (...) (22 years ago, 24-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: Re[2]: Movement and friction
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(...) I agree. Although I called it friction, I didn't mean the true physical property. It seems to me that the difference between grey pins and black pins is structural in nature: they are different connectors from a builder's point of view. I (...) (22 years ago, 12-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re[2]: Movement and friction
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Earlier on Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:28:01 GMT on lugnet.cad.dev Ross Crawford<rcrawford@csi.com> wrote: ---...--- RC> I can see one limitation - the fact that technic axles are actually RC> significantly smaller than the holes in the bricks (round holes, (...) (22 years ago, 12-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: Movement and friction
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I haven't commented substantially on LCD, so maybe I should. I am contemplating an algorithm that will find all of the possible stud-insertion points on a part. The obvious way to do this is to recognize the tube or enclosing box with their (...) (22 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Re: Movement and friction
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(...) I think it probably is. The situations I'm thinking about are: 1. axles in technic bricks, which fit your "no friction" model; 2. the light grey low-friction pins, which could also fit the "no friction" model (with regard rotation); 3. the (...) (22 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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(...) I think it probably is. The situations I'm thinking about are: 1. axles in technic bricks, which fit your "no friction" model; 2. the light grey low-friction pins, which could also fit the "no friction" model (with regard rotation); 3. the (...) (22 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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(...) Welcome in my brain, Barney: I was writing about gravity and inertia in this very hour. The approach you describe may be usable, but as for myself, I'm talking in the LMPL proposal about a tensile strength instead. I see some difference. (...) (22 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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I was thinking of friction as a simple on/off property: connections with friction only move during construction, whereas connections without are free to move under gravity or inertia or other forces during animation of the final model. Is this too (...) (22 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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(...) For the time being, Barney, the problem is that if we will have a database at all. Lugnet.CAD.Dev was very enthusiastic when we presented the idea. All wonders endure three days, this was the very example, after the three days came silence. (...) (22 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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Perhaps I should say that my interest in this is that I am involved in the project on the next-door website to develop an LDraw program for MacOS X, and I think connections should be built in from the start. I had a look at the LCD page on the LDraw (...) (22 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Call for Developer Discussion
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Hey everyone! It was a lot of fun casually chatting about the needs and the potential of the LCD. Now its time to get down in the dirt and see it become a reality. KACS and LAD have put a TON of energy and effort into this, and it seems to be a (...) (22 years ago, 11-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | LCD -- Calling for work
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(...) OK, ladies, gentlemen and minifigs, so everybody is agreeing it is a good idea, what is more, it is already a group of good ideas, including LCD itself (by the way, LCD could stand for Lugnet.Cad.Dev, too! :) and the LMPL language, and so on. (...) (22 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | Two new CAD development newsgroups: LCD (LEGO Connection Database) and Macintosh
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Two new CAD (Computer Aided Design) software development newsgroups have just been created for the discussion of new CAD software projects. CHARTER/PURPOSE ===...=== -> lugnet.cad.dev.lcd (group): LDraw Connection Database forum: in-depth technical (...) (22 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.admin.nntp, lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, lugnet.cad.dev.mac)
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| | ------( Terms of use for lugnet.com )------
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TERMS OF USE FOR LUGNET.COM OVERVIEW AND DEFINITIONS lugnet.com ("LUGNET") is a privately owned Internet site designed and run primarily for the benefit of those who enjoy building with, discussing, collecting, buying & selling, trading, and (...) (22 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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| | ------( Welcome to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd )------
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Welcome to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd, a LUGNET discussion group. CHARTER/PURPOSE: lugnet.cad.dev (group and hierarchy): CAD developers forum: in-depth technical discussions, software architecture, interoperability, tools, parts planning & tracking, (...) (22 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.cad.dev.lcd)
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