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Re: The Scott and Larry show (was: Nothing personal, but...)
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Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:40:45 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> Hi,
>
> My name is Christopher Weeks and I'm a debateoholic. Even when I know I
> shouldn't both responding, I find my fingers doing their inevitable dance on
> the keyboard. I just can't stop myself...
>
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
>
> > > But I
> > > just don't suffer fools gladly,
> >
> > Youch, an insult.
>
> It sounds an awful lot like "infantile insults" to me. What are you getting at
> with this "Youch, an insult" stuff?
Am I wrong for saying this? Or is Larry wrong for tossing insults about?
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> > > Take this "what is the demographic composition of LUGNET" subthread going
> > > currently, and consider what he's actually asking for... he wants me to
> > > PROVE my assertion about something that was a throwaway comment meant to
> > > illustrate something. It's one that no one else challenges, ieither.
> >
> > You are wrong on this. I am asking you to justify you quoting of a *fact*.
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> He stated an opinion that was based on a lifetime of informal evidence
> gathering.
Nope. From his message:
> When you
> challenged me I went off and counted noses at that point in order to see if
> my hunch was right.
> It was clearly not his intention to be debating the micro-accuracy
> of the demographics statements.
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> > The fact is, I expect you just guessed the white “population average for
> > the continent or the country or the state” – you are just too proud to admit
> > it. Am I wrong?
>
> So what? Of course he guessed.
Is so, why is he so unwilling to admit that it was a pure fabrication?
> How could that possibly matter in the least?
I shall quote myself from my last message in this thread (the one you just
replied to):
"As I have said time and time again, I have become tired you making
assertions and accusation which you simply cannot/ will not substantiate.
The point of the thread you mention was to illustrate this."
I have no problem with Larry telling us all how the world should be run. But
if he is willing to do that, he should also be willing to justify his
comments. Time and time again he has been simply unwilling to do that:
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=10181
> Are you, or are you not, disputing the accuracy of his guess?
Did I say that? I think not.
> He guessed
> right! What's your deal?
My deal is that he guessed/fabricated data and is still trying to pass it of
as fact. I shall remind you, he has not said it was a guess/fabrication yet
- we (you and I) are only guessing that is the case. This is what he is
saying he did:
=+=
When you
challenged me I went off and counted noses at that point in order to see if
my hunch was right. It was, at least for the 20+ fests, meetings, events,
etc., I've attended in 6 countries on 3 continents... (a slightly better
sample set than yours) For the subset that I reviewed pictures, each one of
them was more male than 49% and more white than the population average for
the continent or the country or the state that it was held in. (whichever is
a good metric)
=+=
That does not sound like guesswork - it sounds like a good metric. What do
you think?
Scott A
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> Chris
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