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(...) "Single attack"? Do you forget (among many others) the first bombing at the WTC, Dave!? Maybe this debate needs to begin with the idea of whether or not we are at war. Are we? JOHN (17 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, not considering 9-11 an invasion would be a literal interpretation, no? (...) The Constitution directs that habeas corpus can be suspended in certain circumstances; it is not an "inalienable" right, unless you believe that individuals (...) (17 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) A single attack can make a rebellion if it is by a citizen of the country. I can't remember if any of the Sept 11 bombers were US citizens but if so I would argue it indeed was a part of a rebellion. Tim (17 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) One problem there (among many) is that there has been no invasion and no rebellion. A single attack does not an invasion make, so there is literally no justification for suspension of habeas corpus. Dave! (17 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not up on this one apparently-- where did Specter take a literal interpretation where he ought not to have? In this case, it seems utterly plain. If the interpretation is that no right is expressly granted to anyone, but only that when it (...) (17 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think Constitutions are like religious texts. "My" sides interpretation is always the only valid one ;-) Tim (17 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, you want your interpretation, and literal, too. Specter takes the Constitution literally when he cites "except in the case of invasion or rebellion", but when Gonzales takes the Constitution literally, you cry foul. JOHN (17 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I wouldn't call incarcerating enemy combatants a disastrous policy. (...) I'd feel more comfortable discussing a specific example rather than addressing spurious, blanket attacks. (...) Every branch works the system to their advantage. It has (...) (17 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Gonzo suffers from the delusion that the Prez is his client, when in fact he should be serving the interests of the citizenry. Instead of a champion of law, the Attorney General is acting as the primary enabler of and passionate advocate for (...) (17 years ago, 24-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For anyone who hasn't done the survey, the idea in question is a service for your mobile device. You sign up and say "notify me if my mobile device gets within X miles of a store which is selling set Y for Z dollars or less". Questions pertain (...) (17 years ago, 23-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) i did the survey but it sounds to me like it's just another way for billon dollar companys to spam cell phone users. i for one wouldn't even concider using such a system. i'll stick to bricklink sales and google if i want to find a deal. (...) (17 years ago, 23-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ...Nah, he wouldn't be able to. RoboCop's prime directive doesn't allow him to take action against an employee or board member of Halliburton or any of its subsidiaries, such as the U.S. Federal Government. (17 years ago, 23-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's the way he sees it anyway--I think some sherrif should put it to the test and walk up to him with some handcuffs... Dave K (17 years ago, 23-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I don't get it. Has he seriously not corrected himself yet? It only seems fair that he be arrested and imprisoned for no reason. DaveE (17 years ago, 23-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) it's a lefty sight, but it has this excerpt from the Gonzales affair-- Specter: Now wait a minute, wait a minute. The Constitution says you can't take it away except in the case of invasion or rebellion. Doesn't that mean you have the right of (...) (17 years ago, 23-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LiveJournal, SourceForge, and the New York Times all do it correctly, just to name a few: (URL) (18 years ago, 17-Dec-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, it's another of those words where common use has blurred what some would consider the correct usage. Many dictionaries now list it as a noun, eg: (URL) (18 years ago, 17-Dec-06, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For smaller length Technic bricks I have found Star Wars sets to be pretty useful, with the added benefit that they often contain many other useful bricks as well. Even Harry Potter sets seem to use quite a few. ROSCO FUT: .dear-lego (18 years ago, 5-Dec-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)
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(...) Richie, I don't know why you would assign an arbitrary and incorrect timeline to events which you did not personally witness. Enter LEGO Retail, ask sales associate which current Technic sets include "classic studded Technic beams." Clerk (...) (18 years ago, 5-Dec-06, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Allister, You are getting somewhat off-topic for both this newsgroup and this thread. Perhaps you would like to bring your fascinating insights over to a more relevant newsgroup where we can all ignore you in peace? FUT: (...) (18 years ago, 5-Dec-06, to lugnet.dear-lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Dear all, a big thank you to all of you who have taken the survey. I do not want to SPAM this forum but I'd like to ask for some more participants for a validate result. Anyone who has a spare 5 minutes this weekend is invited to waste them on my (...) (18 years ago, 2-Dec-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Hallo an Alle hier nochmal der Text in Deutsch für alle Mitglieder von 1000steine.de. Leider habe ich im Moment dort keinen Account zum posten. Es wäre nett, wenn jemand einen Link oder ein Posting im 1000steine Forum für mich übernehmen könnte. Ich (...) (18 years ago, 30-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.de, FTX)
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(...) Ba-Ding! Good one:-) JOHN (18 years ago, 30-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Thanks for the warm welcome! (...) I don't know about NELUG attendance at the ILTCO show yet. I haven't been to a club meeting recently, so I don't know what people are planning. Sounds like a worthwhile trip, though, and I'll talk it up with (...) (18 years ago, 30-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Would be so unfortunate... :( Selçuk (18 years ago, 30-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, modesty is one of my best qualities! (though I'm not worth to carry the sandals of any one of the Daves!) BTW, welcome back! Are any of the NELUGers planning on attending the ILTCO Detroit show in July? JOHN (18 years ago, 30-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Your modesty is to be admired as well. You have clearly demonstrated keen discretion this evening, IMHO. (18 years ago, 30-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I never said I had any; I was merely merrily quoting Shakespeare! JOHN (18 years ago, 29-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well then I admire and applaud your well-honed sense of discretion, sir! (18 years ago, 29-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The better part of valor is discretion:-) JOHN (18 years ago, 29-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If only I had found a way to be so diplomatic... :) (18 years ago, 29-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not a chance, no. (...) I'm glad Jlug exists, but it's not my cup of tea. Thanks for the offer, though:-) JOHN (18 years ago, 29-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (snipped several detailed rational items) Say, John, are you a member of (URL) Jlug> already by any chance? If not, then you should think about joining our lively little group if you wish to (a Lego Ambassador had to remind me to throw out an (...) (18 years ago, 29-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(This has been sitting in my draft folder for weeks. Though I doubt you'd care to respond at this point, I thought I'd finish it up and post it anyway.) (...) Brendan, for a rational person such as yourself, you only accept explanations that can (...) (18 years ago, 29-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Now, at least one person grokked the reason behind my long time lazyness in creating MOCs..:-) Cheers, Selçuk (18 years ago, 28-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Regarding this image of your LSF: (URL) That is way too neat...how do you keep it that way? It looks like a pain in the patootie to get to the bottom (NPI) bins! (18 years ago, 28-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Bley?.. heh, nice touch. I think I can live with that. Since I haven't heard a real one from you, yet, I assume we still have a margin of safety to play with. And you obviously will not hear any from me, either. As you might already know, we (...) (18 years ago, 28-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hi Karl: I don't want to start a whole big thing here, but I think that "apparent" might be a better word to use than "perceived." The latter carries a connotation of "not really there," whereas the former admits that they do appear to be (...) (18 years ago, 28-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The commentary may be getting a bit less subtle, but it seems to me that it's been an integral part of the BT from the start. Fantastic work as always, Rev! I'll never look at that red kerchief-hat-thing the same way ever again! (18 years ago, 28-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes, I just saw the note on the Saul stories, Yaay, more BT! (...) Can't argue with that one. (...) Yeah, that's pretty much what I was noticing, there seemed to be a trend toward more commentary on percieved Christian inconsistencies. A bit (...) (18 years ago, 28-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You should join Jlug. It's like this all the time. (18 years ago, 28-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You can always tell the other guy is running out of bait when he starts using cuss-words. (...) Huh. Was somebody actually keeping score? I guess your irony meter really is broken. You've proved my original point better than I ever could have. (...) (18 years ago, 28-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) By recalling who is trolling who in the first place, your state of being not really sure why we are having this discussion sent my ironymeter out of range. I don't know about your motives, but I'm having this just for fun. I couldn't pass such (...) (18 years ago, 27-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Don't worry. Lar seems to have moved on, although I'm not sure if he's interanlised things. (18 years ago, 27-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If it didn't bother you, then I am not really sure why we are having this discussion. Now I'm going to sound like O.J. Simpson, but if I wanted to be hurtful to the people on JLUG, I think I would've had to do a lot better than that. (...) (...) (18 years ago, 26-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) CTOPs are there for the benefit of the whole Community, not just Jlug, so it's good to see them getting wider use. All up, I'd say this thread has been pretty good for Jlug, CTOPs and for the Community as a whole [1]. Cheers, Allister [1] (...) (18 years ago, 25-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If it is not the obvious, then the intention must be something myterious that we mere mortals cannot comprehend...hmmm...still don't know... (...) Oh, no, it's not necessary. My hide is rather thick (especially when compared to yours, (...) (18 years ago, 25-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The use of CTOPs on JLUG is so prevalent that I found it impossible to evaluate the content without knowing what they meant. But the JLUG FAQ has a link to Richie Dulin's (URL) secret decoder ring> (which is hosted here on LUGNET, BTW) so it (...) (18 years ago, 25-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) For someone who dislikes JLUG so much, you certainly seem to be quite aware of our CTOPs. Why would you bother going through all the trouble of looking them up if you didn't like JLUG from the outset? And why do you use them so often if the (...) (18 years ago, 25-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh well. It was a nice troll nonetheless, and we all had fun. (18 years ago, 25-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In retrospect its not a clique, because that implies exclusion, whereas you only have to show an interest in Lego to join AFAIK Tim (18 years ago, 25-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed. Unfortunately, I wouldn't have any way of knowing whether I liked the site unless I had visited there. But I certainly plan to buy less of their product in the future. (...) I agree. And I certainly plan to buy less of their product in (...) (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I do feel remorse (and many other emotions) about having started this thread. But that doesn't mean that I don't stand 100% behind every word I have written. I leave it to you to decipher when I am being sincere vs. when I am being sarcastic. (...) (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I was meaning generally. I am a member of the JLUG clique (I think) Tim (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tim, Do you mean this in a general sense or are you specifically referring to JLUG? A person has to consider why they want to join a clique. If it is to change the group and its dynamic, then they may be in for trouble. And yes, I agree there (...) (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But what about the cliques you want to belong to but aren't allowed to? Tim (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Selçuk Göre wrote: <snip> (...) I vote Chris But I always vote for Chris... Anyway, if I don't like a website, you know what I do? I never visit it. And if I never visit it, then I don't care what happens there. It's like (...) (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I read again to better grok what you say here and come up with a question to ask. Do you really show, right at this moment, "least bit of remorse"? If not, could you please enlighten us which of the following is true: 1. Sentences like "It (...) (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) -snip- (...) Well, Chris, please accept my apologies for misunderstanding you on both of these points. I will endeavour to grok your future posts better. (...) Yes, I've noticed a difference between the remarks that people post here with the (...) (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Thank you very much for stating your position about credibility of JLUG members. I'm happy to inform you that the opinion of yourself about me (as being one of the active members of JLUG) is highly appreciated and from now on, it will be taken (...) (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ... (...) ... (...) So tell us Chris, and be honest - where did the bad Janey touch you? (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Although you've left me with quite a bit of snipping to do anyway. (...) And if this were JLUGNET, then I might be compelled to agree. From my perspective, this particular discussion is entirely relevant here on LUGNET, since it is based on my (...) (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I know exactly what you mean. I'm feeling a little bit of the same thing right now. (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It used to be, but we gave up the hobby when they changed the colour of the fish to bley. (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Gee, when I see how some of the folks on JLUG seem to enjoy troll-baiting people who you absolutely know will overreact, I would expect that shooting fish in a barrel is exactly the sport you savor. (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I did not complain about LUGNET. I simply commented that participation here is down, and that I hope this forum will return to some semblance of its former self. (Please note that the subject line of (URL) my post on that topic> was phrased as (...) (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Chris, Please in future be careful linking to JLUG as some of the slogans are of an adult nature and this is supposed to be a family friendly site. Trust me when I say I know what I am talking about. I have probably posted the most horrible, (...) (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Nah. Too much like shooting fish in a barrel for my taste. Cheers Richie Dulin CSF Non-grokker. (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Complaining about Classic Space Forums gets my vote, but I'm open to reading complaints about Legofan if that takes your fancy. Allister (18 years ago, 24-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) So Chris, having complained about LUGNET, and now moved on to complain about JLUG (my two favourite forums, incidentally), can I ask you what site you plan to complain about next? Wikipedia? Cheers Richie Dulin JLUG Community Overlooker (18 years ago, 23-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Wow, "bandogs"... great word! Oh how I wish it was true... the power I could wield if it was. Looks like Rene just came up with a new slogan... JLUG - Currently Recruiting More Bandogs (This is humour. Now while I don't expect it to be funny (...) (18 years ago, 23-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sorry, it's not a "real" word in formal English. The root word "grok" comes from Robert Heinlein's book Stranger in a Strange Land. It basically means "to understand completely." It seems the folks on JLUG have adopted the term as one of their (...) (18 years ago, 23-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Chris, I fear now we come to _my_ intelligence: What does "un-grokked" mean? My dictionary says: "Go away, nitwit, such a word doesn't exist"... Leg Godt! Rene (18 years ago, 23-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I didn't say it wasn't possible, just surprising. (...) There's a frightening thought! I suppose some things are best left un-grokked. (18 years ago, 23-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, chacun à son goût. At least Janey and her bandogs decided to do mischief on their own platform and not here on LUGNET ;-) (...) Obviously they find it entertaining AND are able to operate a computer. To what extend that grants them (...) (18 years ago, 23-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is certainly coarse, but I usually don't apply the label "humor" unless something is actually funny. I am surprised that anyone intelligent enough to operate a computer would find what goes on over there even remotely entertaining. It's not (...) (18 years ago, 23-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hi Chris, consider it as coarse humour. While browsing JLUG, set aside seriousness ;-) Leg Godt! Rene (18 years ago, 23-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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...might notice that there are a lot of (URL) spiteful people> in this hobby these days. Funny how a group that prides itself on "internalizing and moving on" seems to get so caught up in stalking certain people. I guess I just made the list. (18 years ago, 23-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You have now many times asserted that there can be no rational explanations for the origin of the universe, but mere repeated assertion has done nothing to convince me (or others who have chimed in) you're right about this. Even if we suppose (...) (18 years ago, 14-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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This is a paper I wrote for a class I'm taking right now that explores the philosophical implications of the relationship between science and religion. Awesome class, taught, in part, by famous philosopher Michael Ruse. Anyways, I thought my essay (...) (18 years ago, 14-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, the medium is cumbersome, but at least it allows for a dialog with people with whom you might not normally engage. For me it is very time consuming, and many times I've left an interesting discussion because suddenly work pops up and I (...) (18 years ago, 13-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I guess it is only an issue when democrats lose. JOHN (18 years ago, 13-Nov-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Alright, where were we... let's see... (...) Ah, OK. It's silly how things can be taken the wrong way in a written debate that would be cleared up in an instant if we were speaking in person. But then again, I'm not much for debating in person. I (...) (18 years ago, 31-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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--snip-- (...) --snip-- (...) Bad example ;) It is very easy to explain pi in numerous simple and rational ways. eg. pi=4(1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 etc.) pi=( 16((1/5) - 1/3(1/5)^3 + 1/5(1/5)^5 - 1/7(1/5)^5 + ...) - 4((1/239) - 1/3(1/239)^3 + (...) (18 years ago, 26-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I never said the explanation would be "simple". I simply state that adding a Creator is making it *more complex* than it needs to be. (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I wish I could help you out, Dave! But I don't know jack about phones. And I'd have to brush up on painting staircases; I hear it's rail difficult. Well, if they ever arrest the regress, it would appear that their work would be able to be used (...) (18 years ago, 26-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In appreciation of your recent efforts here of late, the least I can do is answer your question :-) Taking a simple definition of religion, being belief in the existence of a god and its consequences for human behaviour, I discover that I do (...) (18 years ago, 26-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmm, this is a really good question, Brendan. It's hard to answer this truthfully, because I was raised in a Christian setting. So there are many things I believe that probably at their root go back to what I learned in Sunday School as a (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't know that it's arrogant or naive, though it might be unjustifiably optimistic at the moment to call it "simple." Gould isn't saying that Hawking/Penrose will, like God, be magically able to terminate the regress; their intent is to (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I like this part: First, most of the traditional arguments for God's existence, from Aquinas on, are easily demolished. Several of them, such as the First Cause argument, work by setting up an infinite regress which God is wheeled out to (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) jumping in here again with this brief blurb-- (URL) are apt to quote the late Stephen Jay Gould's 'NOMA' - 'non-overlapping magisteria'. Gould claimed that science and true (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's how: The omniscient, omnipotent being always was, by definition. Irrational? You bet. (...) Are you suggesting that this stuff is in some way simple? (...) Though we've met a few times, you don't really know me that well because I'm (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I hear that! I'm going to do some snipping to clean up a bit around the thread. (...) <snip> (...) Not at all. I'm just seeing common ground. (...) But you will probably always be irrational though you strive to be rational. You are a closet (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, it didn't really happen in a point in time, AFAIAC. Time began at that point. In fact, there's a good chance that "time" didn't "begin" (or stabilize) for "eons" (read in femto- or pico- seconds), just as our physics framework (as we (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Occam's Razor - the onus is on YOU to explain how an omniscient being just came into being, then created the universe. And if that being was created by another, who created *that* being (ad nauseum)?... Why must you insist on making things (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure that it will be forever outside the scope of science. The more we learn, the more we discover. Take Brendan's sealed-closet example. And let's suppose we can walk around the closet. Well, we know whatever's in the closet has to (...) (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Now that's unfair:-) I am NOT arguing for creationism. Science is about explaining things. All I'm saying is that what happened pre Big Bang is inexplicable. (...) Agreed. (...) Thank you. That is entirely my point. Therefore any explanation (...) (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I have avoided using the word "proved" for that very good reason. (...) However in the absence of the alternate theory then the evidence supports the one theory. Which is why the Big Bang Theory is now commonly named as such whereas it used to (...) (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, I'm trying to be strictly accurate there. It's not that the evidence proves the conclusion, it's that the evidence doesn't contradict the conclusion. If we had (for example) two conflicting ideas about the origin of the universe (the Big (...) (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton wrote: --snip-- (...) --snip-- (...) I believe that many predictions of the Big Bang theory have been verified which is why I say there is an overwhelming body of evidence for it. There is admittedly far more (...) (18 years ago, 24-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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