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Subject:	Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:30:12 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: jumping in here again with this brief blurb--

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20061023/cmhuffpost/032164

I like this part:

First, most of the traditional arguments for God’s existence, from Aquinas on, are easily demolished. Several of them, such as the First Cause argument, work by setting up an infinite regress which God is wheeled out to terminate. But we are never told why God is magically able to terminate regresses while needing no explanation himself. To be sure, we do need some kind of explanation for the origin of all things. Physicists and cosmologists are hard at work on the problem. But whatever the answer - a random quantum fluctuation or a Hawking/Penrose singularity or whatever we end up calling it - it will be simple.

Physicists and cosmologists are hard at work on the problem? And the explanation will be “simple”??? (Sounds like Stangl is up on his Dawkins:-)

The naiveté and arrogance is staggering. Next we’ll here that mathematicans and statiticians are hard at work resolving the problem of Pi. Suddenly, expaining the irrational rationally will be a piece of cake (and it will be simple to boot)

I also like this:

Natural selection is so stunningly powerful and elegant, it not only explains the whole of life, it raises our consciousness and boosts our confidence in science’s future ability to explain everything else.

What a crock! How exactly will natural selection explain stuff, and the laws that make the stuff do stuff?

Thanks, Dave! (not to confuse you with Dave!!)

JOHN

Message has 3 Replies:

		Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus
(...) I don't know that it's arrogant or naive, though it might be unjustifiably optimistic at the moment to call it "simple." Gould isn't saying that Hawking/Penrose will, like God, be magically able to terminate the regress; their intent is to (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

		Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus
I never said the explanation would be "simple". I simply state that adding a Creator is making it more complex than it needs to be. (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus
--snip-- (...) --snip-- (...) Bad example ;) It is very easy to explain pi in numerous simple and rational ways. eg. pi=4(1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + 1/9 etc.) pi=( 16((1/5) - 1/3(1/5)^3 + 1/5(1/5)^5 - 1/7(1/5)^5 + ...) - 4((1/239) - 1/3(1/239)^3 + (...) (18 years ago, 26-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) jumping in here again with this brief blurb-- (URL) are apt to quote the late Stephen Jay Gould's 'NOMA' - 'non-overlapping magisteria'. Gould claimed that science and true (...) (18 years ago, 25-Oct-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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