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Re: The Brick Testament - More Teachings of Jesus
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Sun, 22 Oct 2006 10:43:51 GMT
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Science doesn’t just accept a “we don’t know.” Where is the hypothosis? Ah,
the origin of the universe isn’t testable and therefore unable to be
scrutinized by science, so where does that leave a scientist-- hiding behind
an ignorant shrug?
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I don’t know where you got this idea from. There are plenty of ways to test
hypotheses about the origins of the universe. The Big Bang hypothesis is pretty
much accepted by all scientists to the point that it could almost be considered
a theory. There are a lot of details to be worked out but it has a lot more
scientific evidence than the idea that a God as revealed by the Bible actually
exists.
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But from an on-and-off reading of your posts to ot.debate, it seems as
though you fairly regularly make statements about Jesus and God that seem
to wholly depend on such a personal, unexplainable revelataion.
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Eh, that is the nature of Religion, of faith. I seriously doubt that any
two believers of the same faith believe exactly the same things. It is how
peace-loving Muslims and butchering Islamo-fascists can pray to the same
Allah.
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I think that you need to realize, though, that at that point you’re just
witnessing, and any personal revelation, no matter how profound, is just
hearsay except for the person who experienced it first-hand.
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Except “revelation” isn’t as sexy as you make it out to be. I can get a
revelation from anywhere. One never really knows if it’s from God or not.
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But aside from the fact that Islamo-fascist is an artifical word with no
useful meaning (except as a tool of propoganda),
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Not at all:
- Islamo: pertaining to Islam
- Facism: Authoritarian, or intolerant views or practices.
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As you can see from the Wikipedia article
fascism is a very poorly defined word. Looking in the definitions section of
that article there are many elements that could also be applied to the current
Christian-right dominated Republican party in the USA.
Not that I particularly disagree with you that Al Queda support a pseudo-fascist
regime (I think they do) but I do disagree that it’s as clear cut as your
simplified and slightly incorrect definition of fascism give above.
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I agree, but in that case, you kind of have to cede that your arguments are
necessarily pretty weak, since they often come down to “There are no
“facts” (verifiable by science) in religion.” That’s okay as a statement
of witnessing, but it has no merit as an argument.
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But when we are talking about the origin of the universe, I don’t want any
“witnessing” from scientists or atheists, either. • --snip--
JOHN
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Well the evidence is there inasmuch as the evidence is there for any commonly
accepted scientific hypothesis or theory. You can’t claim to be logical but then
choose to accept and ignore those bits of commonly accepted science you don’t
like.
But really, to compare religion and science on equal footing is nothing more
than a cheap parlour trick. The two have nothing in common except for a desire
to find meaning in the universe. Religion follows the route that neatly packages
everything but has no evidential ground, science follows the route of evidence
and testing whilst accepting that we currently don’t know everything. Science
lives in the realm of logic whilst religion lives in the world of faith.
Tim
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